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Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by NxtGen
They will.
It is ABSOLUTELY a pay cut. She is NOW a minimum wage worker when before she was not.
Seriously, Before, her wage was above the minimum and her buying power was above the price equalization that occurs with minimum wage. Now she is at minimum and has the same buying power as everyone who merely needs to be able to process air to get a job.
She got a pay cut, a demotion, and is now equal with the lowest paid people in the country.
To deny this is to worship your politics in the face of reality.
Honestly, I am kind of shocked at your obstinateness in the face of the facts.
None of that matters to the point I was making. It is irrelevant to the issue that she did get a pay cut and is now making less (ie moved down the ladder to minimum wage).
Again, people like you and I have a different world view when it comes to this.
As far as I'm concerned, I view wage compression (to an extent) as a good thing. It is the point of raising minimum wage in the first place. If everyone gets a raise, then there was no point. So I'm not denying anything or blinded by anything.
I've gathered your view on this issue to be screw the people making less than me, that's their problem. And view making more than them as being superior to them, which reeks of entitlement and snobbery.
I still believe in a wage ladder, just a much smaller one than people like yourself, where the rungs are closer together. I haven't forgotten that I was making crap money as recently as 6 years ago, and would have loved a boost like this at that time.
This shows that Dems are really out of touch on the economy . A $15 national minimum wage would be disastrous especially in smaller towns.
$15 even for bigger cities is risky . Employers have already stated they intend to cut back on labor and automate as much as they can .
Unemployment is likely to go way up with a $15 min wage because demand for labor would go down .
It would add more risk for a business and getting info business is risky enough .
Of course not all businesses are the type that mostly employ min wage workers but a ton of them are .
It will make it harder for the poor to find jobs too .
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Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by Informed Info
What do those people who are happy about it do to make ends meet? Why are they in such low paying jobs? Are they HS drop outs? Got knocked up at 16 & had 3 by 3 by 25 years old?
All about your fiance...what do you do to make ends meet & contribute?
What do I do? I'm the breadwinner. I drive a truck and make $1,000/wk. My fiance's wages cover our car payments and cell phone payments. My wages cover the vast majority of our living expenses.
I point to her, because she is the closest person to me working for minimum wage, and only because she is in school so can't work a full time job due to class schedule (can't get a bachelor's online, she already has her Associates). I've only worked one job at minimum wage (+tips), and that was a second job delivering pizza to cover my car payment, back when I had a full time job at $13/hr with OT in a warehouse.
So I never had to support myself on minimum wage as my sole income
Seriously, this not a difficult concept. If you raise the costs on an economy, the economy will adjust to compensate and that will result in increased costs, making the raise irrelevant.
The only way you could stop what I am saying is by dictating to businesses (taking over the business) that they can not raise prices, that they must absorb the costs themselves. This would stop the cost of living from equalizing to compensate for the wage increase. This however is pure stupidity.
If you want an example of what happens when you do this, go look at Venezuela because that is exactly what they did. They started dictating various regulations, and when the economy compensated to a reality that was not in their fantasy resolution, they took over the businesses to force their result.
Socialism's eventual progression is misery and death.
You are correct, only increasing the supply of housing affordable to minimum wage workers will solve the issue.
However, since incumbent homeowners reject that solution - and have the dollars and votes to make it stick in almost every municipality - politicians will always find it easier to raise the minimum wage than to solve the issue.
Where were you when Harry and Nancy crashed the economy when they controlled the House and Senate in 2008 and trashed 2009/2010 until we elected Boehner and the Republicans to fix things and they did?
??? ??? I never called freedom slavery. As an individual with NO hope of ever owning a home, I understand that people without property NECESSARILY depend on the property rights of owners if they are to have ANY access to property. So I want owners to have the economic freedom to sell property in an increment I can afford. The vast majority of homeowners will laugh, but, in a free market, all I need is ONE willing seller.
An individual who owns their property IS infringing on another when they vote for NIMBY zoning rules and "minimum lot size" requirements - they are interfering with the property rights of other property owners.
Your logic is invalid, asinine, insane, and entitled.
You claiming you can never own a home is such a BS lie argument, I don't even know where to begin. You will never own a home because YOU decided you don't want to be able to, but rather than being responsible for such, you blame others for your lack of willingness to make it happen.
You are correct, only increasing the supply of housing affordable to minimum wage workers will solve the issue.
However, since incumbent homeowners reject that solution - and have the dollars and votes to make it stick in almost every municipality - politicians will always find it easier to raise the minimum wage than to solve the issue.
Sorry!
Actually, the reason houses are so overpriced (in some areas) is because you have 1) banks making loans to people who should not be buying a home. 2) Idiots paying for homes that are far over priced because of the loans requiring no real collateral or risk by the buyer.
Though we have already established that your position is insane and entitled anyway, so... /shrug
Again, people like you and I have a different world view when it comes to this.
As far as I'm concerned, I view wage compression (to an extent) as a good thing. It is the point of raising minimum wage in the first place. If everyone gets a raise, then there was no point. So I'm not denying anything or blinded by anything.
I've gathered your view on this issue to be screw the people making less than me, that's their problem. And view making more than them as being superior to them, which reeks of entitlement and snobbery.
I still believe in a wage ladder, just a much smaller one than people like yourself, where the rungs are closer together. I haven't forgotten that I was making crap money as recently as 6 years ago, and would have loved a boost like this at that time.
So a job requiring no education or experience, e.g. fast food, cleaning services, etc, is worth $15/hr, but a job requiring a BS degree, a license and entailing much responsibility, e.g. RN is only worth $30/hr? You are going to see a rebellion if that happens.
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Where were you when Harry and Nancy crashed the economy when they controlled the House and Senate in 2008 and trashed 2009/2010 until we elected Boehner and the Republicans to fix things and they did?
