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Old 05-29-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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JFK cut taxes.

Trump wants to cut taxes, but the JFK lovers won't let him.
For the rich, yours on the other hand will be going up to pay for the Trillions more we are going to spend, oh and that will not spent on you either. Enjoy
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The Cuba problem was inherited from Eisenhower--Kennedy didn't start it. He was trying to get us OUT of Viet Nam and the military hated that because they make money on wars. One of the reasons he had to be taken out.

He certainly had his faults but he had the best interests of the people at heart.
How was JFK trying to get the US out of Vietnam?
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:37 PM
 
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JFK didn't actually bring grace to the WH.

He was sneaking in women to the WH for sex without any regard to humiliating his wife.

That wasn't grace.

The Sex Life of JFK - Killing Kennedy Article - National Geographic Channel
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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How was JFK trying to get the US out of Vietnam?
He wasn't, he pored more men and resources into the mess. While I do agree with some of JFK's ideals, ask not being one of the best, I also know he made some major blunders and his womanizing was down right abnormal in its scale, including an eastern European lady possibly an agent. I do agree with one sentiment expressed here, the Dems of today are not those of the past, as in one of the homes to Blue Dog Democrats I know first hand that the Democrats are nothing like they were years ago. Same can be said for the Republicans, heck one does not even have to go back as far to see that the Republicans are nothing like those in even Ronald Reagans years. Both Parties have slipped to the extreme, oh there are plenty of non-extremists in both Parties but for them to stand up they have to face the open scorn of the extremists that tend be very vocal in their condemnation, squeaky wheels get the grease meaning unless the moderates team up they are pushed aside. Sooner or later the American People may wake up in numbers that will matter, unfortunately by then it may be too late to slow down the slide to a reduced status as a Nation. Sometimes lessons are best learned the hard way, it makes a stronger impression, see there is a up side to everything no matter how unfortunate

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Old 05-29-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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Aside from the point another poster made with you using him as a foil to bash Trump, here is a big thing you are missing.

If JFK were to run today, he would sound like a Republican compared with how leftist/socialist the Democratic party has become. The left would like everyone to think the Republicans have gone hard right. In reality it is the Democrats who have gone hard left.
Don't believe it, fine.
Don't take my word for it.
Just go back to when Bill Clinton was president and look at his policies and the platform of the DNC.
You will see a large difference between now and just a couple of decades ago.
lol, JFK is a New Deal Democrat, they were kicked out of the party by the Wall Street Clintonites in the 1990s as the party moved to the right. The majority of Democrats in Congress dont even support single payer Medicare-for-all anymore. They pushed for cuts to SS under Obama until the grassroots revolted. The GOP is just an extension of the Chamber of Commerce and the Koch brothers network at this point.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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He wasn't, he pored more men and resources into the mess. While I do agree with some of JFK's ideals, ask not being one of the best, I also know he made some major blunders and is womanizing was down right abnormal in its scale, including an eastern European lady possibly an agent. I do agree with one sentiment expressed here, the Dems of today are not those of the past, as one of the homes to Blue Dog Democrats I know first hand that the Democrats are nothing like they were years ago. Same can be said for the Republicans, heck one does not even have to go back as far to see that the Republicans are nothing like those in even Ronald Reagans years. Both Parties have slipped to the extreme, oh there are plenty of non-extremists in both Parties but for them to stand up they have to face the open scorn of the extremists that tend be very vocal in their condemnation, squeaky wheels get the grease meaning unless the moderates team up they are pushed aside. Sooner or later the American People may wake up in numbers that will matter, unfortunately by then it may be too late to slow down the slide to a reduced status as a Nation. Sometimes lessons are best learned the hard way, it makes a stronger impression, see there is a up side to everything no matter how unfortunate
That is what I thought. I was in Jr. High when Kennedy was killed, but within 5 years, my HS buddies were going "over there".
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default LBJ was the one who delivered on the Great Society

Yah, President JFK did well @ delivering speeches, & struck poses. He did launch & cheerlead the US effort to the moon, a good thing all around. The person I actually miss, though, is President LBJ. He was a homely fellow, & he was never going to charm anyone to death.

He knew the GOP would reap votes in the South upon the passage of the CRA, & he stumped for it anyway - & lots of the War on Poverty. He was perfectly aware of what he was doing - & he did the right thing anyway.

There aren't many people left in government who would walk away from it all, rather than do injustice. In the long haul, I think LBJ was heroic in his political judgment - & his willingness to sacrifice his career for the common good of the country. We'll never know about JFK - he might have changed his mind about Vietnam. Too much lies buried with him.

Bless the man, wherever he may be.
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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Yah, President JFK did well @ delivering speeches, & struck poses. He did launch & cheerlead the US effort to the moon, a good thing all around. The person I actually miss, though, is President LBJ. He was a homely fellow, & he was never going to charm anyone to death.

He knew the GOP would reap votes in the South upon the passage of the CRA, & he stumped for it anyway - & lots of the War on Poverty. He was perfectly aware of what he was doing - & he did the right thing anyway.

There aren't many people left in government who would walk away from it all, rather than do injustice. In the long haul, I think LBJ was heroic in his political judgment - & his willingness to sacrifice his career for the common good of the country. We'll never know about JFK - he might have changed his mind about Vietnam. Too much lies buried with him.

Bless the man, wherever he may be.
LBJ kept the fiasco in Vietnam rolling along.

BTW, how much has been spent on the war on poverty? When will we WIN it?
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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JFK didn't actually bring grace to the WH.

He was sneaking in women to the WH for sex without any regard to humiliating his wife.

That wasn't grace.

The Sex Life of JFK - Killing Kennedy Article - National Geographic Channel
One of them may have been named Grace.
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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One of them may have been named Grace.
Lol, good point.
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