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Old 06-01-2017, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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What I found from MIT....How much of a difference will the Paris Agreement make? | MIT News

“The Paris agreement is certainly a step in the right direction, but it is only a step,” said Monier. “It puts us on the right path to keep warming under 3 C, but even under the same level of commitment of the Paris agreement after 2030, our study indicates a 95 percent probability that the world will warm by more than 2 C by 2100.”
Yep. Only a step. Which is why Nicaragua didn't sign it. They felt that it did not actually do enough. Perhaps the United States should join Nicaragua in doing even more than the Paris Agreement's terms to reduce greenhouse gas emissions?
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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wow, really? There is more coal than the world will ever need.


absolute RUBBISH!

we have about 7% of the world's natural gas reserves and there is a massive amount of gas and we know there is likely vastly more methane that will be cost effective later.

Oil we are not even in the top ten.

I don't know where you are getting your info coalman but it is BAD. There is lots of Oil but world market would be fine if we vanished tomorrow. more gas than we can sell. And more coal than the world wants by a wide margin.

YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF if you think we have any kind of energy stick to beat anyone with.


WHAT resources do you really think the USA controls? Tech? They will flee our shores faster than we can close the doors , if anyone interferes. Corn? nope we simply subsidize ours to kill competitors it would take little time at all for others to make up for it.

weapons? Well yep, our refusing to sell would open the door for china EU and Russia to profit hugely .


in short the world does not need us anymore than it needs any nation excluding China. China would be hard to replace.
You should really do a quick Google search before you spew....

U.S. Has World

The world's biggest natural gas reserves - Hydrocarbons Technology

Or just prove the links wrong....
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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And Europeans are now referring to the nations as the G-6 instead of the G-7. It appears Trump and his supporters are isolationists.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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This was a big win for China, yes. Germany and France will likely take our place on the world stage now. And Trump gave Russia what they've wanted since the end of World War II:: a breakup of the US-Europe alliance.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:17 PM
 
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What's the difference between a bunch of unskilled laborers coming to the US 100 years ago and a mix of skilled and unskilled laborers coming to the US today?

100 years ago, we were largely an agrarian and industrial society. Illiterate people (Americans and immigrants alike) could make a living. There was no welfare so everybody knew it was sink or swim. Today, there are very, very few jobs for illiterate people. Welfare is costing us far too much money.

Immigrants contribute to the US economy . . . considerably. Facts About Immigration and the U.S. Economy: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions | Economic Policy Institute

[Illegal aliens do NOT contribute. Instead, they take far, far more than they give. Unskilled legal immigrants also don't add much value. You are out of touch if you think otherwise:

State Cost Studies | Federation for American Immigration Reform


They are a little more productive than US-born people. They are distributed among different jobs, both skilled and unskilled. Do you want Social Security and Medicare to exist? Then you definitely need immigrants.



I mean that increases in efficiency and conservation have outstripped population and economic growth.



Residential water use is a tiny fraction of overall water use. Taking California (home to many immigrants and a highly drought prone, semiarid State) as an example, residential water use is declining, and it is only ~15% of total water use. And the State is undergoing major population increases with declining total water use. Adding people is not the water problem in the West--it is a decades-old problem that will not go away while the West remains America's breadbasket.



Well, I'll take California as an example again. With about 40 million people, 95% of the population lives on just 5% of the State's land. Land is not scarce in the West, which is much less dense than the East.

As for water use---you just don't get. I suspect that you refuse to get it. People use water. Add more people, it's simple math. More people, therefore more potable water is needed. More people means more produce must be grown, therefore more water is needed.

What is sad is that you just don't get the deleterious effects on increased population. More people---more vehicles on the road, more oil is needed to make gasoline. More people means loss of green space and habitat for wild animals.

Liberals understood all of this back in the 60s and 70s. That's why they pushed for ZPG and many were so concerned that they decided to not have children. Now we have uneducated and unskilled immigrants, both legal and illegal who have large families that they can't take care of and expect the government to provide for them. You can't be worried and wringing your hands over so-called global warming and at the same time encourage millions more to move here. That makes you a hypocrite.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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Maybe 30 years ago this would have been true, but those 30 years have changed China a lot more than the United States. The nation became a world leader over that span, and the conditions you describe are no longer true.
While China's problems do still exist, it's no longer unprepared to meet them like they once were. And now, they are fully committed to a China where all its citizens can lead lives of prosperity through the same technology that only we once enjoyed.

Their government fully understands that they only way they can keep progressing at such a rapid rate is to join with the rest of the world instead of isolating themselves from it.

With a billion people, the greatest of all resources, the Chinese will happily sell all the goods and services all those people can provide. There is simply no way the United States, with a population of less than a quarter of China's, can compete with them all by ourselves.

If the 20th was the American century, Trump just made it all the easier for the 21st to be the Chinese century.

Withdrawing from the global economy will only make us increasingly non-competitive in a world where no nation owns all the advanced thought that builds advanced technology.

Look at Russia, and see what the United States can become. A rusting, rotting hulk, depending on increasingly aging obsolete manufacturing, with a surly uneducated populace of workers to supply it. While dreaming of their glory days, fading distantly into the past with each passing year. The oligarchs will grow richer, and the rest will grow drunker. And like the Russians, our best young minds will go to where the real action is; in the far east, where China will allow them to thrive.

Never forget this: One billion equals one hundred thousand million. Our current population is only 330 million. China's is 1,381 billion. Even their fraction is bigger than our population, with a full billion to spare.

The human mind is a nation's strongest resource, so the numbers really count.
This is the main reason why retrenching to isolationism will not work - at least if from a perspective of "economic success". As time progresses, our leverage over the world is less and less.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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If the US said we will pull out all our military power and financial aid to protect our allies, unless you leave the paris accord, the majority would leave asap..
This Accord was designed to redistribute yours, mine and every other American that WORKS, to other countries to support them on cleaning up their own damn rooms.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If the US said we will pull out all our military power and financial aid to protect our allies, unless you leave the paris accord, the majority would leave asap..
This Accord was designed to redistribute yours, mine and every other American that WORKS, to other countries to support them on cleaning up their own damn rooms.
yep I bet other countries are secretly happy about this.

The only countries that are annoyed are the poor countries, they know they can no longer receiving aid.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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You mean ANY promise don't you?
They now have the opportunity to eat the USA's lunch....and they will. They have already offered free training in the wind power industry while fat boy plays with himself and goes down on Putin.

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China’s Goldwind offers free wind power training for coal miners
Wyoming is where the majority of American coal comes from, but its also one of the best suited states for wind energy.

https://fueladdicts.com/2017/05/chin...r-coal-miners/
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Old 06-01-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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Elon Musk and Disney CEO Bob Iger resigned from Trump's advisory council over this.
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