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Swedish migration authorities released the findings of a wave of tests carried out on new arrivals to the Scandinavian country who claimed to be underage, but raised the suspicions of authorities.
Medical examinations, which included analysis of migrants’ teeth and knee joints, found that the majority of those claiming to be children actually were not.
Innovation and workforce. Do you think that everyone working in the Silicon Valley is 100% American? We wouldn't have so many Saabs and Volvos today if Finns didn't man the assembly lines in Sweden in the 1960's. Germany would never had rebounced from WWII to become an economic powerhouse so quickly without Italian, Spanish and Turkish immigrants.
So? Do you know how extreme the vetting procedure is, especially now with terrorism and all? It may take a year to even be processed. It's not like landing on Ellis Island in 1900 and the next day you're given a shovel and start building a road.
We aren't even talking about the same thing.
So you equate immigration to Sweden from Finland (culturally the same as Sweden) to immigration from ME and Northern Africa (culturally like day and night) who are largely (40% if I remember correctly) illiterate in their OWN language?
Vetting procedure extreme? Where? In Europe? Recently there was an article in Die Welt that said everybody who said they were Syrian during the vetting procedure were considered to be Syrian. In Sweden, the situation is even more comical, tests showed that 76% of 'child refugees' were in fact not children at all. Talk about extreme vetting is bullsh*t.
So you're basically saying your native population was weak and couldn't get things done. I might have to agree with that.
No, I'm saying that immigration will in most cases be a benefit. The US wouldn't be where it is today if nobody would've immigrated since 1776.
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I understand the point you are making, but..
The study found disturbing evidence of young Muslims adopting more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues than their parents or grandparents.
Muslims are the fastest-growing religious group in the world. The growth and regional migration of Muslims, combined with the ongoing impact of the Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) and other extremist groups that commit acts of violence in the name of Islam, have brought Muslims and the Islamic faith to the forefront of the political debate in many countries.
I think this issue should be discussed more openly and honestly.
And that aspect has to be dealt with. If we can make a psychological profile of the terrorists who have killed innocent people in Europe in the past years, they all share some similarities: disenfranchisement, criminal past, drug or alcohol addiction, depression, unemployment... and pure evil.
If there's a school-shooting, we analyse them to death, like what snapped and went wrong, but with Muslim terrorists we only say "yeah well they're Muslim". It's stupid.
ISIS is an abomination and the highest Sunni authorities have repeatedly asked that "don't call it the islamic state, because it has nothing to do with Islam.
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well, then maybe you should stay on topic.
The topic is about Poland will not be blackmails by the EU, Polish goverment don't want automatic relocation of refugees in order to meet the quota.
Refugees are people fleeing for their lives. These people are the ones happy to have reached refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey.
Migrants are people who seek to improve their personal circumstances through changing country.
Ok then. We have donated billions upon billions of Euros to rebuild Poland after the Cold War, millions of Polish people have emigrated to other countries in Europe. And now they refuse to take 6,500 refugees to a country 40 million strong? Even if they are women and children, they won't take them. How f**king dare they?
Terminology. Economic migrants are sent home as we speak. Even Germany, who received 1 million migrants in 2015 are actually giving asylum to less than 50% of applicants. Possible economic migrants who have arrived already are even offered €1200 if they GTFO.
Vetting procedure extreme? Where? In Europe? Recently there was an article in Die Welt that said everybody who said they were Syrian during the vetting procedure were considered to be Syrian. In Sweden, the situation is even more comical, tests showed that 76% of 'child refugees' were in fact not children at all. Talk about extreme vetting is bullsh*t.
Uhm, you contradict yourself. First you say that there is no vetting, but then you refer to reports based on the migrants' dental and knee joint examinations?
When did you visit a dentist the last time? Isn't getting a knee joint examination extreme vetting?
Ok then. We have donated billions upon billions of Euros to rebuild Poland after the Cold War, millions of Polish people have emigrated to other countries in Europe. And now they refuse to take 6,500 refugees to a country 40 million strong? Even if they are women and children, they won't take them. How f**king dare they?
How F**king dare they?
well, Poland will not be blackmails by the EU, Polish government doesn't want automatic relocation of refugees in order to meet the quota.
No, I'm saying that immigration will in most cases be a benefit. The US wouldn't be where it is today if nobody would've immigrated since 1776.
And that aspect has to be dealt with. If we can make a psychological profile of the terrorists who have killed innocent people in Europe in the past years, they all share some similarities: disenfranchisement, criminal past, drug or alcohol addiction, depression, unemployment... and pure evil.
If there's a school-shooting, we analyse them to death, like what snapped and went wrong, but with Muslim terrorists we only say "yeah well they're Muslim". It's stupid.
ISIS is an abomination and the highest Sunni authorities have repeatedly asked that "don't call it the islamic state, because it has nothing to do with Islam.
Ok then. We have donated billions upon billions of Euros to rebuild Poland after the Cold War, millions of Polish people have emigrated to other countries in Europe. And now they refuse to take 6,500 refugees to a country 40 million strong? Even if they are women and children, they won't take them. How f**king dare they?
Terminology. Economic migrants are sent home as we speak. Even Germany, who received 1 million migrants in 2015 are actually giving asylum to less than 50% of applicants. Possible economic migrants who have arrived already are even offered €1200 if they GTFO.
This is not a two way street where the EU helps Poland out of mutual benefit then turns around and says time to pay up and import terrorists into your country. Maybe the EU should have prefaced the original support of however many Euros with a requirement that at some point Poland will have to take in refugees.
If that was not part of the original deal then Poland doesn't have to do anything for Brussels.
Uhm, you contradict yourself. First you say that there is no vetting, but then you refer to reports based on the migrants' dental and knee joint examinations?
When did you visit a dentist the last time? Isn't getting a knee joint examination extreme vetting?
I didn't say there is no vetting just that the vetting is mostly a charade.
Not every migrant is examined to determine their age, just some of those who say they are children, when in fact they look like 30-year old uncles. I'm no expert in the methods required to determine someone's age but it's plausible that dental and knee joint examinations are the least evasive methods to determine the age and thus they are not extreme. But then again, the vast majority don't undergo the vetting some said-to-be children have, they are just given a pass.
Poland can always go back to Russia and become part of it as in good ole times, if anything else failed.
Russia shares similar views on refugees/immigration))))
Yeah, the western sissies that are being pushed around by Merkel are a lost cause. What is it with Europe bowing to Germany all the time and letting them push them around and threaten their existence? Didn't they learn from the TWO world wars Germany started? Germany is as dangerous now as they were back then.
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