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Old 06-02-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Our defense industry is no more amenable to free market forces then health care for the same reason. If we are attacked we cannot say NO to having a defense system.


Even Adam Smith realized there were some good and services that would not be either supplied or be affordable if their costs were determined by the Free Market he described.
There's a difference between national defense and individual services. Yes, healthcare is not a tv, but proper regulations can make it more accessible and affordable treated as a free market commodity.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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There's a difference between national defense and individual services. Yes, healthcare is not a tv, but proper regulations can make it more accessible and affordable treated as a free market commodity.
Don't bother, Progs don't like the free market. They like Fascism and heavy handed government control to do their bullying in order to spread the wealth around.
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: PGI
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Healthcare is not amenable to a market based solution because the consumer cannot say NO or negotiate prices for services or drugs.
Something like barring the federal government from negotiating drug prices like what was passed in 2003.
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Its crony captalism. Get it right.
No it isn't.

You, me, and taxpayers across the board paid off those Wall St shysters for ruining the economy in 2008.

Socialism for the rich.

You, me, and taxpayers across the board pay taxes for all kinds of welfare programs for working poor folks so that the fatcats can pay their workers peanuts in order to see a larger profit margin.

Almost all welfare is corporate welfare at its base.

And it's all socialism for the wealthy.

They love it. They benefit. We pay for it.
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Exactly. We have socialism for the wealthy and capitalism for the rest of us.
Right again Old Gringo. Very few people understand that trickle down is one of the greatest scams ever perpetrated. When there is a federal budget deficit and the wealthy are given a large tax cut, that tax cut is funded by government-issued treasury bonds. Who pays for the bonds? We all do and our kids do.

Trickle down economics is a form of socialism where public debt financing is used to lower the tax liabilities of the wealthy.
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Right again Old Gringo. Very few people understand that trickle down is one of the greatest scams ever perpetrated. When there is a federal budget deficit and the wealthy are given a large tax cut, that tax cut is funded by government-issued treasury bonds. Who pays for the bonds? We all do and our kids do.

Trickle down economics is a form of socialism where public debt financing is used to lower the tax liabilities of the wealthy.

That's exactly what it is.

And Pub voters keep falling for it time and again.

Slow learners...

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Old 06-02-2017, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Healthcare is not amenable to a market based solution because the consumer cannot say NO or negotiate prices for services or drugs.
Why can't they?
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Old 06-02-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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Don't bother, Progs don't like the free market. They like Fascism and heavy handed government control to do their bullying in order to spread the wealth around.
True! The choice is either the unregulated free market or fascism. There are no other alternatives.



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Old 06-02-2017, 02:39 PM
 
Location: PGI
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It was just reported today that welfare queen Wal Mart is now "asking" employees to drop off packages on their way home. They will be paid and given some compensation for wear and tear on their vehicles but not sufficient to cover the entire cost.

Wal Mart says this is so they can be more competitive with Amazon.

Collectively, the Walton family is worth $130 billion. I wonder how they got so rich?
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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The Claim: Congress passes legislation that eliminates job-killing regulations. Employers are unfairly burdened with worthless regulations. They say the money saved from being freed of this unnecessary financial burden will create new jobs.

Fact: Employers hire new employees when demand requires they do. Any employer who hires new workers just because he has some extra money in his pocket is an idiot.

The Result: Employers freed from the regulations pocket the profits. Whatever costs come out of the lack of regulations become the burden of the workers, the citizens and/or the government.

Care to discuss?
1. The claim is true in many cases, not true in some cases. Regulations to limit monopoly and promote free market are good things.

2. An employer does not automatically hire more people just because; however, the employer can't hire more people without the extra money.

3. How does lack of regulation become the burden of workers or the government? An employer just pockets the profit is an idiot - in reality, very few do that.
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