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Old 06-02-2017, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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So much for freedom - protesters against trump on ignauration day facing 80 years if prison... We are no longer free or safe... To say anything. Jobs can just boot you, give them an excuse makes it easier
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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That's different. Because that's an organization where this individual didn't go along with their policies.

Say you work with a private company who terminates you because you are a member of a Catholic Church. The company has no affiliation with the Church. Wouldn't your religious tights be protected.
Yes....Civil Rights Act of 1964.

But even thats....a bit iffy. For example in most states they could just say "not a good fit" and fire you.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:15 PM
 
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So, you don't actually 'sign an employment contract' if you go to work for the Federal government as a civilian employee. But, your "freedom of speech" is curtailed by your employment: there is confidential information that you can't just spew ala turmp 'declassifying' on the fly in order to impress his good buddies; there can be ethics issues if you give away insider information or get involved with something that can affect your position; and there is the Hatch Act, which limits your ability to go out and campaign, especially in partisan politics.

Even if you don't work for the government, or a large corporation, you still have the responsibility to handle yourself like an adult, safeguard the secrets of your employer, and behave rationally. Right?
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:18 PM
 
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Yes....Civil Rights Act of 1964.

But even thats....a bit iffy. For example in most states they could just say "not a good fit" and fire you.
Right - you would have to prove that the reason for being fired was because you're not catholic. Most people & organizations are smart enough to not give away the store on stuff, plus there are lots of 'at will' states where they can just fire you... for no reason at all.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:20 PM
 
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I can agree with that. However, can't justify an employer terminating you based off your affiliation with a sanctioned and protected Government organization or Religious Organization. Now granted they can say they terminated you for another reason, but if employee is able to probe they wetebterminated for reason above that would be a violation of their Right's. Because yes you have Freedom of Speech, which is voided based off an employer. As an organization or institution protected and sanctioned by the Government your rights are protected in their realm from the Government and Employer as long as you obey Criminal laws set forth by the Government.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:20 PM
 
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I think an employer should have the right to fire an employee who sings karaoke on Friday nights if they so choose.
Absent a contract, or a union agreement, most employers can fire an employee for any reason, or no reason at all. But an employee cannot be fired based on sex, race, color, national origin, religion, or age under federal law.

Firing someone for singing karaoke is legal in most jurisdictions.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Absent a contract, or a union agreement, most employers can fire an employee for any reason, or no reason at all. But an employee cannot be fired based on sex, race, color, national origin, religion, or age under federal law.

Firing someone for singing karaoke is legal in most jurisdictions.
Agree with that. Do believe an employer can hire whom they choose and can if they choose to not hire someone based off of these mentioned above. Probably cause them to lose a lot of business.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits an employer from firing someone because they belong to a particular religion.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits an employer from firing someone because they belong to a particular religion.
Prove that is why they fired you and you would own them, but you have to pay out first and do so for years. Better to control what you say publically if you believe your company might take offense.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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Mom and I were going back and forth on this issue.

I am in the agreement of if you don't sign a contract regarding your behavior outside of work you are free to say what you want. Now it can get a bit muddy if you directly attack your employer verbally outside of work. Now if you sign a contract you are agreeing on your own free will to behave and represent your employer outside of work according to their policies. That I am okay with.

Now the issue is my mom disagrees that contract or no contract you have to be careful what you say. I'll agree with that in this day and age. That an employer can fire you even if you didn't sign a contract due to what you say outside of work.

I feel this violates your First Ammendnent Right's. Do you agree or disagree?

Thoughts.

Also should mention mom and I are in agreement that your free speech can dictate your future employment. We do agree you live with what your actions were.
No. Your theory is bogus. Employers hire at will and they fire at will. If there is a contract, which is probable with media companies, anything that harms the company's interests or reputation is most definitely grounds for immediate dismissal.
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