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Old 06-04-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ed-in-the-u-s/

The rate has gone up because many of these women in their 20s from living the most unhealthy lifestyle they can.

It is no secret many lower-socioeconomic women are already in failing health in their 20s and 30s due to the morbid obesity and most unhealthy food they can possibly tolerate.

This is not the fault of Texas Billionaire Oilmen, it is because many of these young women are already in failing health from terrible lifestyle choices.

The spike in maternal mortality is because of the American lifestyle of today, as opposed to the healthier lifestyles of the past and the healthier lifestyles young women live in other wealthy countries.

I have worked in call-centers before where there are alot of pregnant women in their 20s who had failing health and then got pregnant. Many of them were barely able to breathe and had the health of 90-year old woman before they got pregnant.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.


What you call "failing" health are medical conditions that can (and should) be detected and treated before, during and after pregnancy. Better healthcare, sanitation and so forth have combined to drive infant morality along with post partum deaths to historic lows not only in the USA, but all over the Western world.


Access to such care is another matter, and that is where who a woman is and where she lives plays a larger role than what you call "failing health" issues.


Obesity, age, high blood pressure, diabetes and a host of other health issues that caused poor outcomes of pregnancy, childbirth and infant viability in the past can be treated and managed often with a woman having a successful to term pregnancy, delivering a healthy child and mother along with infant thriving.


However for women living in socio-economic disadvantaged situations access to such care is difficult if not impossible, as such you see high infant mortality rates along with women dying.


New center takes aim at high-risk pregnancies, maternal mortality - Houston Chronicle


All over Europe places are being swamped with dirt poor migrants/asylum seekers and yet their infant morality/females dying during or after pregnancy rates are still rather low. That is because those places have various socialized medicine/national health schemes that guarantee *ALL* women and children a certain level of healthcare regardless.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Now this takes some doing - conservative health care at it's finest:
Study: Texas has highest maternal mortality rate in developed world | abc13.com

The thing about Texas is that it is, in theory, one of the wealthiest places on planet earth. They have money flowing from fracking, oil, chemicals and lots of other industries.

They have the money to build a decent society. And yet they are dead last and not willing to do anything about it. They also have a low rank in education and other metrics - especially considering their resources.

This is what happens when the billionaires and oil men run things. It's so obvious that it amazes me that so-called "thinking conservatives" can't see it. It's the opposite of civilization.

They should be ashamed of themselves - but they are too busy working to loosen up more gun laws.

It's not what you have (Texas has money, land and lots of smart people) - but what you DO with what you have. In that metric, Texas health care is a failure.

Folks should think about that and compare the statistics to a state like MA. where Obamacare (RomneyCare) has been in force for 10 years.

Don't believe in the war on women? Well, the experts say "the doubling of mortality rates in a two-year period was hard to explain “in the absence of war, natural disaster, or severe economic upheaval”.

So Texas managed to accomplish the nearly impossible task of killing more women than thought possible in normal times.
The rate of maternal mortality in Texas spiked from 18.6 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010 to more than 30 per 100,000 in 2011 and remained over 30 per 100,000 through 2014, according to a recent study in the medical journal Obstetrics and Gynecology. That’s significantly higher than Italy (2.1 deaths per 100,000 live births), Japan (3.3) and France (5.5), and more in line with Mexico (38.9) or Turkey and Chile (15.2), according to World Health Organization statistics.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ate/90115960/#
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Huh... I wonder if it has any correlation to defunding the biggest provider of healthcare to low-income women? Naaah... Probably fake news.
in 2011 the rate was 30 per 100k. However the defunding didn't kick in until September of 2011. That doesn't explain the high rate in the preceding months of that year.
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Its not just Texas, its a problem across the US. Not enough pre and post-natal care, different approach to child birth (inductions done for convenience rather than medical need and higher rates of c-sections), lack of proper care for the mother during labour (eclampsia is more of a problem in the US than elsewhere despite being easily diagnosed and managed) and different demographics giving birth (women are encouraged to put off having children until later in their 30s and older which increases the risks - though that issue is spreading throughout the western world now too)

To combat this there needs to be a bit more joined-up thinking in the medical world when it comes to maternity care. National standards for pre and post-natal care, medical need based decisions on child birth options, not what is more convenient for the doctor or mother, and access to quality care for all pregnant women not just those who can afford it. And people need to be taught in school already about the risks of waiting until your 30s or later before having children instead of telling people that they need to build a career first or that its fine to wait because ivf exists.
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why should the legislature do anything about this? What could the legislature do about this? Why don't you and Craigiri fix the problem with your money?

The race that lays the golden eggs is only 45% of the Texas population, and we can't (and shouldn't be asked to) provide the third world with first-world living standards while they replace us in our own homeland.
There was a doubling of the infant mortality rate and they don't need to do anything about it? They sure had enough interest to impose operating room standards on Planned Parenthood but now this increase needs to be dismissed. I thought they put women's health care first.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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Now this takes some doing - conservative health care at it's finest:
Study: Texas has highest maternal mortality rate in developed world | abc13.com

The thing about Texas is that it is, in theory, one of the wealthiest places on planet earth. They have money flowing from fracking, oil, chemicals and lots of other industries.

They have the money to build a decent society. And yet they are dead last and not willing to do anything about it. They also have a low rank in education and other metrics - especially considering their resources.

This is what happens when the billionaires and oil men run things. It's so obvious that it amazes me that so-called "thinking conservatives" can't see it. It's the opposite of civilization.

They should be ashamed of themselves - but they are too busy working to loosen up more gun laws.

It's not what you have (Texas has money, land and lots of smart people) - but what you DO with what you have. In that metric, Texas health care is a failure.

Folks should think about that and compare the statistics to a state like MA. where Obamacare (RomneyCare) has been in force for 10 years.

Don't believe in the war on women? Well, the experts say "the doubling of mortality rates in a two-year period was hard to explain “in the absence of war, natural disaster, or severe economic upheaval”.

So Texas managed to accomplish the nearly impossible task of killing more women than thought possible in normal times.
Stop ILLEGALS and I'd bet the numbers improve DRASTICALLY.

Plus, you made a LOT of other claims about Texas, and I would like to see you back up with credible data.

If NOT, your posts go in the trash can.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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Stop ILLEGALS and I'd bet the numbers improve DRASTICALLY.
Stop the war on Planned Parenthood and I'd bet the numbers improve DRASTICALLY.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Stop the war on Planned Parenthood and I'd bet the numbers improve DRASTICALLY.


Not so sure about that. The illegals need their anchor babies.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:19 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Not a fan of Texas Social Darwinism however, correlation is not necessarily causation.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:28 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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It's high, no doubt about it.

Texas is also number one in incoming migrants from Mexico, Central, and South America. I'm sure it occurred to you that our statistics would naturally reflect inflated numbers due to this fact.
So you're saying that coming to the country with the best healthcare in the world would make them more likely to die in childbirth. Totally illogical conclusion. You know what conclusions are logical? The fact that most of our Planned Parenthood clinics have closed and our abortion requirements are so restrictive that women who are not physically healthy enough to have babies have them anyway and die as a result. Couple this with the fact that our requirements for Medicaid are among the most restrictive in the country, so poor women have no health insurance, cannot get prenatal care, thus you have a dead mother and possibly a sick or dying infant.
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