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Old 06-05-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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I sure hope so. the fake news outlets like Fox, Breitbart, and Infowars need to raise their standards and report real facts or just go away.
They'll be around as long as there is a market for what they peddle.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Trumplings: please relax...

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Do you think there will be a tipping point in the Media and how they write articles and what they report on?
Where they will crash and wake up.

So. it can go back to good ole fashion real journalism.
Where reporters research, get the facts, and then report it without bias and shock value.

Do you think most Americans will stand up and have enough, so the Media has to change?
What will it take?


I don't care whether you are Dem, middle, or Rep, left or right.
How can all not see this.

In my opinion the media has become bias.
They try to have an agenda and sway people.

Some write stories and articles and get on TV without even researching the topic they are reporting.

They get wind of something and go with it and put in the fear and mongering factor.
They use their feelings and assumptions instead of facts.

please don't turn this into Presidents against Presidents. Keep it media focused. Thanks

You guys still have your biased opinion-based reporting that you can use to soothe those ragged nerves of yours as tRump continues to trip over his own two feet. A clumsier, bleaker, weaker president America has never seen. I realize you tRump supporters hate looking at him w/o those special rose-colored glasses provided by The Limbaugh Letter and Fox News.

There's straight reporting and there's partisan reporting.

Currently, it's The Washington Post that's dong a good job of keeping the public informed on all of the dirty dealing that the tRump admin is trying SO desperately to cover up.

The right's biased cheerleading for tRump insists on labelling itself "fair and balanced" and you keep swallowing it. At the same time as they're offering weak distractions, focusing on the leaks instead of illegal/unethical activity, they bash their competition that's reporting the facts. No one questions why they're doing that.

I report. You decide.

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Old 06-05-2017, 10:22 AM
 
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Really, what happened to FOX, didn't you guys claim they were the No.1 Cable news station for the longest time, they are No.3 now, but no matter. Hate to burst your bubble but the right wing "news" sources are no more trustworthy than the left wing "news", one has to do their own homework to actually get the full story.
Cable news is traditionally not considered the mainstream media. Both ideologies are represented on cable news, no doubt. But the difference is that FOX has always has a rightward bent, whereas CNN has historically held itself out as a non-biased, objective news outlet. That is not true any longer....but they have made no attempt whatsoever to admit to that. CNN still lays claim to straight news - which is not even close to true and everyone knows it. MSNBC is simply the left version of FOX.

As far as mainstream media goes, I defy you to show how ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. are anything but leftist mouthpieces. They are the ones who should be held to account, but of course they are not because they feed liberal confirmation bias. Harvard found this bias to be true, but I have yet to hear any teeth gnashing and course correction demands from liberals:

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-c...0a9d-189799085
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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You guys still have your biased opinion-based reporting that you can use to soothe those ragged nerves of yours as tRump continues to trip over his own two feet. A clumsier, bleaker, weaker president America has never seen. I realize you tRump supporters hate looking at him w/o those special rose-colored glasses provided by The Limbaugh Letter and Fox News.

There's straight reporting and there's partisan reporting.

Currently, it's The Washington Post that's dong a good job of keeping the public informed on all of the dirty dealing that the tRump admin is trying SO desperately to cover up.

The right's biased cheerleading for tRump insists on labelling itself "fair and balanced" and you keep swallowing it. At the same time as they're offering weak distractions, focusing on the leaks instead of illegal/unethical activity, they bash their competition that's reporting the facts. No one questions why they're doing that.

I report. You decide.

Gringo can you keep presidents out of this ?

Don't trash anyone here please.

It is about the Media profession
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:27 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Really, what happened to FOX, didn't you guys claim they were the No.1 Cable news station for the longest time, they are No.3 now, but no matter. Hate to burst your bubble but the right wing "news" sources are no more trustworthy than the left wing "news", one has to do their own homework to actually get the full story.
Actually, they are number 2. They are only number 3 in the age 25-54 demographic. CNN is still far behind FOX and MSNBC in total viewership. But it is too soon to tell if this is just a blip or something more longstanding. After all, FOX has been #1 for 17 years, and this development is still very new.

Before 24 hour cable news stations came about, it was much easier for journalists to do unbiased reporting. News was on for 1/2 hour at dinner time and was not meant to be a money maker. It was more of a public service that the networks did.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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They'll be around as long as there is a market for what they peddle.

Sadly you are probably right. There is a large segment of uneducated Americans that can be easily swayed and many in this group prefer to get information that supports their ill conceived preconceptions. Outlets like Fox, Breitbart, and Infowars can exploit this and will likely continue to have sheep like followers.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Cable news is traditionally not considered the mainstream media. Both ideologies are represented on cable news, no doubt. But the difference is that FOX has always has a rightward bent, whereas CNN has historically held itself out as a non-biased, objective news outlet. That is not true any longer....but they have made no attempt whatsoever to admit to that. CNN still lays claim to straight news - which is not even close to true and everyone knows it. MSNBC is simply the left version of FOX.

As far as mainstream media goes, I defy you to show how ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. are anything but leftist mouthpieces. They are the ones who should be held to account, but of course they are not because they feed liberal confirmation bias.
And there you go folks.

Any media outlet that isn't Fox News is a "leftist mouthpiece."

By the way, Fox News has more that a "rightward bent." They promote false conspiracy theories. Last week, Hannity was pushing a false conspiracy theory about Seth Rich. Is Napolitano still carrying on about the Brits wiretapping Trump?

Lengthy list of all the false information promoted on Fox News.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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And there you go folks.

Any media outlet that isn't Fox News is a "leftist mouthpiece."

By the way, Fox News has more that a "rightward bent." They promote false conspiracy theories. Last week, Hannity was pushing a false conspiracy theory about Seth Rich. Is Napolitano still carrying on about the Brits wiretapping Trump?

Lengthy list of all the false information promoted on Fox News.
When it comes to the mainstream media - ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. - it's not what they're reporting that you need to know. It's what they're NOT reporting that's important. A well studied, informed person knows lies by omissions, outright omissions, outright lies, and pure bias when he/she sees it. If you don't know, then you don't know when you are being misled. That's what these "leftist mouthpieces" rely on - which is you the viewer to be too stupid to know any different. When you don't know what you don't know, then anything coming from the news will sound accurate.

As my wife can tell you, I can rebut 90% of all news being reported by the mainstream media by filling in blanks that they refuse to talk about. When you're well-informed, you're able to do that.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Gringo can you keep presidents out of this ?

Don't trash anyone here please.

It is about the Media profession

OK, without mentioning any names...

What is it about "the media profession" that has the right so up in arms? Would it be the refusal of the MSM to ignore all of the shady/unethical/un-American activity?
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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I didn't live back then, but I envision years ago a reporter grabbed his pad and pen and went to the scene, saw it first hand. Interviewed people first hand ,took notes went back and wrote a newspaper article.
Might be a neat job.

Now it's off the cuff and assumptions for most of them. Lacking integrity.
The shift started in the early 90's and if you wanted to pin point where that occurred it would be the OJ trial. Clearly something that is newsworthy but that dominated headlines for months on end... Not because it was important news but because it sold news.
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