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Old 06-05-2017, 10:26 PM
 
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Thanks for your independent, clear headed analysis. Always good to have a new member who has the ability to review the current state of the country without bias or agenda, who detests the lazy way of debating (ie. overgeneralizing) and who joins this site with the goal being to respectfully engage in rational conversation with like minded individuals. Again welcome.

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A racist, xenophobic, white privilege enjoying, knuckle dragging, trailer trash wallowing, low IQ, money sucking red stater.
You forgot opioid-addicted meth-head...
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I'm just pointing out the obvious; that nearly all the real innovation and hi-tech seems to come from the Left.
I notice you did not provide any rebuttal or counter-argument, just avoided the issue altogether.
The corporate headquarters over pretty much everything is more likely to be in a blue state. That said, innovations come from places like Texas and Ohio. Calling any state that voted Trump "blue" at this point is a mistake, and many innovations are coming from states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona and Florida.

But it's more what I said first. Democrats dominate in cities. Cities are where the corporate headquarters of pretty much everything are. The blue states did not necessarily produce the individuals who came up with big important ideas, but the best and brightest minds are in those states because that's where you find the jobs utilizing their brilliance and innovation are found. Start-up businesses stand the greatest chance of success where the highest concentrations of people are. If you start a business in Ralston, Wyoming (population 280), you're certainly not going to be the next big national sensation. No, if you were living in Ralston and you had a great business idea, you'd move to the biggest city possible and run with it there.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is becoming more and more bold-faced Marxist. Many of the up and coming generation of liberal psychos think that Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao and Castro were some of the greatest human beings that ever lived. Those of us with brains enough to study history know that going too deep into Socialism is disastrous and outright Marxism is the most heinous death-cult humanity has ever experienced. So no I don't think that being "blue" encourages economic prosperity nor innovation. Quite the opposite.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Hi new person. It seems you've locked yourself in the restroom and have just gotten out. While you were in there, we had already beaten this horse to death quite a number of times. Anyway, welcome to the forum.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:32 PM
 
Location: WY
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When we join we have to start somewhere whether we join a thread or start a new one. When I first started posting here I remember getting backlash because I was new. Is someone who has 50 posts not allowed to start a thread. Stop being a bully. It's unbecoming.
Dude isn't getting backlash because he's new. He's getting backlash because he's a trolling moron.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Marxism is the most heinous death-cult humanity has ever experienced.
Ehhh... Huh uh. Twilight fans. No contest. *shudders*
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:37 PM
 
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The corporate headquarters over pretty much everything is more likely to be in a blue state. That said, innovations come from places like Texas and Ohio. Calling any state that voted Trump "blue" at this point is a mistake, and many innovations are coming from states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona and Florida.

But it's more what I said first. Democrats dominate in cities. Cities are where the corporate headquarters of pretty much everything are. The blue states did not necessarily produce the individuals who came up with big important ideas, but the best and brightest minds are in those states because that's where you find the jobs utilizing their brilliance and innovation are found. Start-up businesses stand the greatest chance of success where the highest concentrations of people are. If you start a business in Ralston, Wyoming (population 280), you're certainly not going to be the next big national sensation. No, if you were living in Ralston and you had a great business idea, you'd move to the biggest city possible and run with it there.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is becoming more and more bold-faced Marxist. Many of the up and coming generation of liberal psychos think that Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao and Castro were some of the greatest human beings that ever lived. Those of us with brains enough to study history know that going too deep into Socialism is disastrous and outright Marxism is the most heinous death-cult humanity has ever experienced. So no I don't think that being "blue" encourages economic prosperity nor innovation. Quite the opposite.
That's just not true at all. These leaders are barely mentioned in high school history class, if at all. So where are you getting this from.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:43 PM
 
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The topic is very odd. As an Aerospace Engineer, there are very few people in my field that identify as Liberal politically, and we are very educated. There are plenty of Independents and many that are socially liberal, but overall we are mostly conservative.
I'm a proud liberal and I agree about the topic being odd. Reminds me of the threads about western Europe or the white race being God's gift to man.

People in different fields with different motivations have different politics. I'm sure there's more conservatives in the defense industry than folks working the Silicon Valley start-ups. But my experience more closely follows history and the general statics, that being that the more education, the more liberal...
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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Ehhh... Huh uh. Twilight fans. No contest. *shudders*
Touche'
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:05 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Before I start let me say that I consider myself an independent, not really on either "side" and I didn't vote in the 16' election (didn't like either choice).
First of all, if you didn't vote, you have no grounds for complaint. Voting is both one of our most precious rights and our DUTY as citizens of a great Democracy. I didn't like the major party presidential choices either. Nevertheless, I voted because the 2016 election was about a lot more than the two presidential nominees. There were also Senators and Representatives to vote for at both the national and the state level. In Colorado there were several referendums that were highly important - yay or nay. Not voting just because you didn't like Clinton or Trump is the lazy man's out. There were all sorts of other choices on offer or did you hate every last one of them, too?

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With that said, I've noticed a glaring elephant-in-the-room regarding the whole left vs right "eternal struggle"/debate:

All the real innovation, progress, hi-tech, etc comes almost EXCLUSIVELY from the ranks of the Left or Liberal states.

Meanwhile the right-wing areas/states are generally full of lower-IQ and lack of innovation or hi-tech, full of run-down meth trailers and people milking welfare and disability. Right-wing areas tend to be "backwards" in comparison in terms of tech/innovation, and you almost NEVER hear of a hi-tech Bill Gates type coming from the Republican ranks. Even Einstein and Nikola Tesla were both liberal in their political views, so this pattern is not new at all historically.

Facebook? Google? Amazon? Microsoft? Tesla? Space-X? etc? All on the Left or Liberal-leaning.
I just can't help but notice that none of the great innovators or "shakers" in hi-tech are Republican.

And so we have a situation where the technologically advanced and wealthy/affluent Left is forced to subsidize and "carry" the dead weight of the backwards and technologically-behind Republican parts of the country. It's quite the sight seeing all this vast wealth/tax money being squandered away on meth-heads, trashy single moms, welfare types, run-down towns, etc instead of funding the future of humanity and taking our human civilization into space. It all seems like such a waste

Actually, your elephant has been out of the closet for quite some time now. Google "red state vs blue state economies" and you will see the Internet is full of information when it comes to this phenomenon. It is being discussed everywhere and yes, the red states are lagging economically. Still, I wouldn't write off the Atlanta region, for example. Nor would I write off the cities and Institutions of Higher Learning that make up North Carolina's "Research Triangle." Such places often vote blue in defiance of the rest of their home states. Should liberals throw these places out like throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

Plus, your lack of compassion makes you sound like some redneck bigot from some small Southern backwater - not the civilized, educated urban dweller you claim to be. Aren't single Moms - and especially their children - plus those forced to resort to "welfare" (there is no more "welfare" in the sense in which this approbation is generally used) part of the "future of humanity"? I would submit that they are. The same goes for "run-down" towns. Blue states are far from perfect. We all have our run-down towns. I have had liberals in Denver call my part of the blue state of Colorado as "unwanted Colorado." Unwanted by whom? Some resident of Colorado Springs or Denver who moved here yesterday and dismisses 80% of the state as "unwanted"? Wouldn't it be better to encourage prosperity statewide instead of only in the enclaves of the elitists? And if this is true on the state level, wouldn't it be even more valid for our nation as a whole?

I disagree also with your premise that the goal of the economically viable blue states should be "taking our human civilization into space." We have quite a few problems on our own planet earth that need our immediate attention lest our planet become a lifeless cloud of dust and greenhouse gases long before a select few of us can manage an escape to some unknown utopia somewhere else in the universe.

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It's taboo to talk about this, but it is true
Even if you look up which states pay in the most in taxes you find it is actually the Liberal states at the top, disproving the claim that Republicans pay more in taxes.
The sad truth (or the good news, depending on your POV) is that liberals need to do little but stand back and watch if Trump's tax cuts for the billionaire class and co-commitment deep slashes to the social safety net and everything else are passed by a complacent republican majority in Congress. The cost in human suffering will be enormous. Residents of the red states will rue the day they ever heard the name Trump. Unfortunately, many innocents in both red states and blue will suffer, as well. The blue states cannot get together and devise their own system of taxation and spending in time to avert disaster for many of their own residents. And then there's the Russian thing and the Constitution thing and the voting rights thing. I worry for my Country these days as I have never worried for it before in my life.

Solutions such as yours are specious at best and only reflect your own personal agenda - not a true concern for the American Democratic Experiment.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Before I start let me say that I consider myself an independent, not really on either "side" and I didn't vote in the 16' election (didn't like either choice).

With that said, I've noticed a glaring elephant-in-the-room regarding the whole left vs right "eternal struggle"/debate:

All the real innovation, progress, hi-tech, etc comes almost EXCLUSIVELY from the ranks of the Left or Liberal states.

Meanwhile the right-wing areas/states are generally full of lower-IQ and lack of innovation or hi-tech, full of run-down meth trailers and people milking welfare and disability. Right-wing areas tend to be "backwards" in comparison in terms of tech/innovation, and you almost NEVER hear of a hi-tech Bill Gates type coming from the Republican ranks. Even Einstein and Nikola Tesla were both liberal in their political views, so this pattern is not new at all historically.

Facebook? Google? Amazon? Microsoft? Tesla? Space-X? etc? All on the Left or Liberal-leaning.
I just can't help but notice that none of the great innovators or "shakers" in hi-tech are Republican.

And so we have a situation where the technologically advanced and wealthy/affluent Left is forced to subsidize and "carry" the dead weight of the backwards and technologically-behind Republican parts of the country. It's quite the sight seeing all this vast wealth/tax money being squandered away on meth-heads, trashy single moms, welfare types, run-down towns, etc instead of funding the future of humanity and taking our human civilization into space. It all seems like such a waste

It's taboo to talk about this, but it is true
Even if you look up which states pay in the most in taxes you find it is actually the Liberal states at the top, disproving the claim that Republicans pay more in taxes.

I've thought that this was so obvious, that it didn't need to be mentioned. If you go back in time, the great innovators and scientists, who were the first to discover the basic facts on which our technology is based, were persecuted, jailed, sometimes even executed, by the conservative powers that ruled society.

Ignorance and blind reverence for the status quo were demanded by those rulers, who felt threatened by new ideas they couldn't understand. Anything that might bring any part of religious dogma into question, was heretical and condemned. So the more the times have changed, the more they stay the same.
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