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Old 06-06-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Mainstream British Muslim leaders explain why they disapprove of the bombing, shooting, knifing, ramming, crushing, etc. attacks on people in Western countries which are commonly called "terror". From the "London Fatwa Council" (the group filmed by CNN holding signs and flowers in front of London Bridge) website:

Articles & Research | London Fatwa Council

http://www.britishmuslimforum.co.uk/...h-Document.pdf

Essentially, acts of violence against those who break Islamic law are wrong only because they are disorderly and have not been approved by the proper authorities. Islamic punishments are "permissible in their own right", but should not be carried out if the "ruler" (Theresa May in this case?) does not approve them. Read it for yourself.
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Old 06-06-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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Last I heard the Koran specifically stated a proper jihad didn't target civilians, and that's primarily what the cowards prefer.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Lots of countries have these type of Council and Groups, they have no legal powers and merely operate as mediation groups in the same way the Jewish Beth Din and other religious mediation bodies work. In terms of what is posted, the UK is looking in to tightening internet laws and may even opt out of human rights laws such as the European Convention on Human Rights, which some Islamic Groups and indeed Terrorists have hidden behind.

Theresa May: Human rights laws could change for terror fight - BBC News

May: I'll rip up human rights laws that impede new terror legislation - Guardian

Obviously Islamic Punishments do not apply in this country not should they even be suggested, and such posts needs to be examined by the authorities and action taken if necessary.

A few similar US Groups.

Fiqh Council Of North America


Fatwa Center of America

Shariah Board of America

Shariah Board New York - SBNY

Rahmat-e-Alam Foundation (Chicago): Home

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Old 06-07-2017, 04:46 AM
 
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Last I heard the Koran specifically stated a proper jihad didn't target civilians, and that's primarily what the cowards prefer.
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Civilians are innocent only if they are under their divine authoritarian rule of Caliphate. Since their rule is the divine right on Earth,anyone who opposes their nefarious objectives is an deterrent to the spiritual justice on Earth.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Jihadis...am-means-peace
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:51 AM
 
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Lots of countries have these type of Council and Groups, they have no legal powers...
My intent is to illustrate the mindset of this sharia group with regard to terrorism. Apparently they cannot build an honest case, based in Islamic law, for opposing terror attacks in Western countries that has anything to do with morality. They best they can do is claim that the attackers are disorderly and lack proper authorization. They can't say that it is simply wrong to murder people since apparently, in orthodox Islam, that isn't necessarily so. If the right scholars get on board with killing innocent kafir, they'll be good with it.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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My intent is to illustrate the mindset of this sharia group with regard to terrorism. Apparently they cannot build an honest case, based in Islamic law, for opposing terror attacks in Western countries that has anything to do with morality. They best they can do is claim that the attackers are disorderly and lack proper authorization. They can't say that it is simply wrong to murder people since apparently, in orthodox Islam, that isn't necessarily so. If the right scholars get on board with killing innocent kafir, they'll be good with it.
That's not the mainstream view, indeed the Musim Community and Imams have refused to even offer prayers at these mens funerals.

London attack: 500 imams condemn terrorists and refuse to perform funeral prayer for 'vile murderers' | The Independent

More Muslim leaders refuse funeral prayers for London attackers | Guardian

Muslim leaders refuse to perform funeral prayers for London Bridge attackers - Telegraph

Imams refuse funeral prayers for 'indefensible' London Bridge attackers - Guardian
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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Because they got bigger gonads than American Muslims
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Here is the video


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VNGRpKwIAwE
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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Here is the video
The video only shows one of the attackers, Khuram Butt, who had fallen off MI5's radar and was working at KFC and for London Transport, he was also married with children. The other two attackers were from overseas, and the attack was very low level, however the security services will be holding an inquiry and need to review their operations in relation to such low level attacks and potential suspects. The Security Services can only keep someone under 24 hour surveillence based on intelligence and have to work wthin the law including laws relating to the European Convention on Human Rights in respect of Article 8 'The Right to Privacy and Family Life', nor can people be detained with our evidence of criminality or without due process.

In terms of Jihadi's who use Hate Speech it has been succesfully used in Britain to jail a number of Muslims, inparticular the hate preacher Anjem Choudary and his folowers have now been largely jailed, and it should also be noted that hate preacher like Choudary are constantly under police protection themselves, as are their families, and they constantly receive death threats.

Abu Hamza al-Masri was found guilty by an Old Bailey jury of using his sermons to incite murder and race hate, as have other Muslim Preachers.

BBC NEWS | UK | Hamza guilty of inciting murder

Abdullah el-Faisal, a Muslim cleric convicted of soliciting the murder of non-believers and stirring up racial hatred, was jailed for nine years in 2003 at the Old Bailey in London.

Race hate cleric jailed for nine years - Guardian

British police arrested Abu Izzadeen on charges of inciting terrorism on 2 August 2007. A spokesman for Scotland Yard said the arrest is related to an "on-going inquiry," involving a speech Abu Izzadeen gave in the West Midlands area in 2006. Izzadeen was subsequently sentened to four and a half years at Kingston Crown Court. He was later arrested again and given a further two years in prison for breaching a travel ban.

Muslim preacher Abu Izzadeen jailed for four and a half years - Telegraph

Whilst radical hate preacher Anjem Choudary was jailed for five and a half years for encouraging support for ISIS.

Radical preacher Anjem Choudary jailed for five years - BBC News

Whilst just earlier this month five more Muslims were jailed for similar offences to Choudary.

Yousaf Bashir was sentenced to four and a half years' imprisonment.

Rajib Khan,was sentenced to a total of six years and six months' imprisonment

Mohammed Istiak Alamgir was sentenced to six years' imprisonment.

Mohammed Sufiyan Choudry was sentenced to four years' imprisonment.

Ziaur Rahman was sentenced to two and half years' imprisonment.

Extremists with links to hate preacher Choudary jailed for drumming up ISIS support | UK | News | Express.co.uk

The Security Service (MI5) and the Police watch these type of people and even record speeches, and they can be arrested for incitement to hatred (religous and racial) as well as incitement to terrorism or for support a proscribed terrorist organisation or outlawed organisation.

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