Alabama: Food Stamps decline 85%.. Get to work (legal, cost, school)

[bryan85]

Not fair- don't make those "victims" have to work for a living!

[kevinm]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

76%+/- of SNAP beneficiaries are households with minor children.

Able- bodied adults are typically limited to 3 months unless they are employed, training or looking for work.

States have always been able to apply for waivers to the TANF and SNAP work requirements which were expanded during the Great Recession. Many of those state waivers expired or states no longer met the criteria for broad based waivers.

If you can't feed em, don't breed em.

[Chance and Change]

One dimensional thinking might suffice for some, but reality is multi-dimensional 24/7@365 !!!


..... Well... nothing happens without there being consequences. It's NOT Likely that suddenly "Alabama", just created a mass of jobs to provide opportunity to the 85% it claims are no longer utilizing food stamps.

Well as time comes along - Let the Truth speak,and Let's see what it reveals.. when we look at the crime reports and lets see how many % points that will increase. The basics of food, is a human necessity.
There won't be any mass re-creation of slavery, and the people are not going to accept being indentured for indentured servant levels wages (which is no more than it cost to house and feed a slave). If they try and incarcerate a mass of people and farm them out as Labor, there will be massive revolt and it might just be the thing that bring poor whites and poor minorities together to fight against such inhumane abuses as "For Profit Prisons" promoting a format of "structured and programmed enslavement".

In a humane administration, they would have worked on how to support industry, and how to look for emerging industry to create jobs, and during the process, they would have instituted "a litany of training programs" to prepare the people for work.. But, when you have no concern for the poor, you do exactly what was done Post Slavery... Kick them to the curb when you can't use them anymore for free, and then build up a system to ensure difficulty meets them at every turn, and you follow that up with character denigration to paint them as being "unworthy" (because one can no longer use them for free) you then try and starve them out, to force them to accept less than living wages, and then condemn them for lack of upward mobility, when the means for such was omitted in the basic of the process. It's the means of psychologically disadvantaging the person, used as a method to gain assurance they will remain demoralized and therefore not feeling they can do better and never earning enough to assist them in making a step to do better.

(America evolved from a slavery system, it spent 100's of years mastering that system, and it has not relinquished itself from the usage of the tools they learned over those 100's of years, in how to sustain a system to acquire slave wage labor, for no more than it cost to house and feed a slave). {Poor whites must realize, they were not exempt, they were considered no more than service help, paid at a rate that would equal no more than the cost to house and feed a slave, often a few pennies less than what it cost to maintain a slave. If the indentured servant had cost more, they would not have been hired, more slaves would have been bought}. ((People have done the exact same game with the use of Temp Labor in this country, as service in some industries being treated as nothing more than "hiring indentured servants"; some industries can only support having temps because business is based on seasonal cycles.. But any business that is not, should not accord itself to temp workers, because it erodes the system of economic, which eventually will double back and bring challenge to the very business that promoted that process of filling permanent jobs with temp workers)).

It's amazing, the more things seem to change, the more they simply reshape it to model the past. Greed and Ignorance is Dominant and it Runs Rampant, supported by bigots and self consumed arrogance of those who have means. All the Administrations have done is dress their arrogance in a different costume, but pushing the same agenda of the past.
Greed..... and if the people don't support it by working for indentured servant level wages, then you try and starve them out, until you can force submission.. It's nothing but a format of 21st Century Constructive Enslavement. (Trump is nothing more than a remake of an old Slave Owner from the Confederacy and it will become more evident unto many!!! Guaranteed!!!)

If you want to change the paradigm... Then look at how Industry can change and what makes it grow. It is not about giving the wealthy massive tax cuts, its about, managing our system to Once Again, Diminish the Monopolies, manage our imports, and put regulatory controls that does not promote outsourcing.
It takes a society that needs to become awakened and face up to the fact, that this continual search for 300% and above profit margins, is not suitable for any longer terms stability and fair product quality and pricing anywhere in the world.
That is the mentality of the short term, reach and grab greed masters, who have no long term vision or respect for the long terms continuance of society.

America became an Industrial Strength, by working on a 30%-40%-even in some cases 60% profit margin, they were not into uncontrolled "over expansion" just to appease stock brokers and traders, it focused on "actual production and sales", and the fact of that result supported growth. Not wild expansion, over stocking and creating an illusion by claiming to have more stores than market shares could support. Wild expansion, and then Buying out the competition claiming it will generate a profit, when it only increased debt, and destroyed business and jobs, which eroded the purchasing power of the people, and suddenly within a couple of years of doing such, REALITY SETS IN, there is no shoppers, because they have been laid off by the game of mergers and acquisitions, so now... there is no revenue to pay the debt, and suddenly, what do we have other than bankruptcy, selling off components, and then filling the shelves with low quality cheap goods and destroying customer service, and when all that game plays out, its "fold over and close shop".... The blood suckers have killed yet more industry.
We've seen the game played 1000's of times, and when we get wise and our wisdom become a driving force to act, only then will we stop the madness.

Mostly society has been lulled into fiction and illusions, and lost concept of the point and purpose of the stock market.

It was not designed for greed based speculation, nor was it designed for all the games of CDS (Credit Default Swaps), Derivatives, and every other madness man has devised to feed his greed and disrespect of what is a commodities marketplace, they long ago should have learned the madness of abuses of Margin Buying and all the money shuffle and shell game gambling as far back as 1929, or many of the "SPIN THE BUCK AND SHUFFLE THE SHELLS" type of games that have plagued us even in recent times with the 2006-2009 Crash.
It was for Long Term Investors, big and small, to invest in the stability of industry, and support managed R&D, and to be a basis to promote well strategist and detailed calculated growth. This current day madness of "trying to break a record every quarter, has led to a fictional game of expect a wild rise "everyday".

People truly should go back and Look At - What damages "DE-REGULATION INVOKED, then review how Junk Bond based Mergers and Acquisition - as Criminal Corporate Raiders brought down many industries and weakened a great many others, as they had to waste money fighting off hostile take overs.
These games benefited - Bankers, Insurance- Attorneys-Corporate Executives as well as mass liquidators who range in a broad categorical expanse, who work almost as the secondary vultures, who come in once the slaughter has taken place.

Who suffers, - The People as Citizen and Employee, the Individuals as Parent and community participant, the Community, the Institution within the community, as not even the Churches could retain their community programming for youth, nor for senior citizens, the small shops, and when it all shaped up, the city itself lost tax revenue, massive real estate decline and everything fell... while a few went from amassing 100's of thousands and 10's of millions, they suddenly spiked up to amassing 100's of million and now they count their money in "Billions".

So... people need to look beyond the drama spin of thinking its Just about Food Stamps, and look at the full picture, and they may not be so eagerly ready to denigrate the needy who truly rely on these safety net programs. THIS INVOLVES THE LIVES OF PEOPLE!!!!


We have a Right Winger Sectors, that have no concept to consider any of these variables nor the factors that contribute to what they complain about. They just complain, and focus on their desire to become and be hoarders as well.

Its a matter of ideological ignorance based on a premise of chase money without concern for ethic's nor respect for what Capitalism is to the economic system of creating and sustaining a truer Democracy. The ideal of such is too big for them to grasp, because they are lost in the smallness of their Greed's game, and their own aims for greed blinds them until they can't see beyond their lust for such.

How many people remember the late 1970 and early 1980's when the whole nation geared up TO TRAIN people for Data Processing, proceeded to compile a nation full of historical data into database systems? We invested to prepare people from the emergence of the computer technology and its mass usages across the nation and the globe.

We need to have the mentality and fortitude of the earlier generations who still had a sense of humanity and dignity that was not voided out by the lust for money by any means.

[kevinm]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Alabama is one of a handful of states that made e- Verify of all employees mandatory. In theory, no one is competing with an illegal worker.

There's a Vice documentary about watermelon farms in Alabama. Since growers could not hire undocumented they had to pay Min Wage to documented workers. Most did not last a day in the heat and humidity. Then they tried state prison workers. They collapsed. The narrator gave it a shot and lasted about a minute. Crops died on the vine. Story ends with farmers lobbying the state for exemptions to e- Verify.

Big Grocer bought cheap melons from other states who allowed employment of undocumented workers. This is what it takes to sell retail watermelon at .29/ lb. US people want cheap food and don't particularily care who planted, harvested or butchered it.

Sounds like an opportunity for technology or innovation. How about a "misting tent" to blanket the workers in the field or a mobile canopy that moves with the workers as they progress along the rows?

[s1alker]

Suggesting people to move from an economically depressed town to a bustling metro is not good advice. Chances are someone living in a rut area did not attend a good college and earned a marketable degree (ie computer science.) They would just end up being part of the huge homeless population that most cities have.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by kevinm

If you can't earn a living where you currently live..........MOVE!!!!! Nothing to stop daddy from buying a bus ticket to where the jobs are and mailing money back home.

All in favor of able bodied people getting off food stamps but there needs to be jobs. If you are living off food stamps and out of money where are you taking a bus, you need to live somewhere, what skills do they have.

[Chance and Change]

Originally Posted by s1alker

Suggesting people to move from an economically depressed town to a bustling metro is not good advice. Chances are someone living in a rut area did not attend a good college and earned a marketable degree (ie computer science.) They would just end up being part of the huge homeless population that most cities have.

The sad reality in that is... Its so much fiction about a College Degree..... Some fields it is necessary, but we have over played the importance in a wide variety of areas and job types.

China at this very moment is the Greatest Mass Production Country on the Planet!!!! They don't do it nor did they become to be such, by people with College Degree's... They did it the same way American use to do it, *(when America was more intelligent). They do it by "ON THE JOB TRAINING", They can change on the fly, because they can and they are willing and dedicated to "train on the fly" and keep moving. They know the value of people and they also know how to mix people labor with Technology so as not to try and totally displace the people.
The difference is "cultural respect for humanity".... where America has become obsessed purely with money by any means, and people are not even secondary in their consideration. It's exactly why America keeps failing and it will continue to fall further and further behind, because it failed to realize, Life is about PEOPLE, far and above money.

America allowed the "business" of University dupe it, to think everyone needs to have a degree to even fill and ice cream cone, or walk around a dollar stock with a managers tag on their shirt. It's pure insanity.

When America was smart enough to RESPECT PEOPLE it engaged in "OJT" and most administration was done by people with nothing more than an AA degree.
People with BA, BS, and higher were "SPECIALIST' in a specialized field... not running around claiming someone with a Bachelors Degree in English was posing as an Industrial Operation Managers.
We let University Make a Fool of Us as a society, and resulted to do nothing but denigrate a mass of the American population, we killed off the innovative spirit when we function to ignore anyone who does not hold a degree, or we down play anyone who did not attend a university/college.

We went so far as to allow the big money and greed chasing scheme of University to direct everything to itself, and in doing so, we allowed them to promote the denigration of Vocational and Technical skilled jobs.

But what TRUTH IS SHOWING, these Vocational and Technical Job, are the ones that are not easily susceptible to being outsourced..

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by NLVgal

Is the state going to help the people find work, or just let them starve? When unemployment here was over 10% people with college degrees, or ten -fifteen years in the workforce couldn't get a job at a restaurant or cleaning hotel rooms.

I know how we could open up 11 million jobs. It would involve hiring the new ICE officers.

[Chance and Change]

I have a great plan for how we can create programming to train people, open the nation to empower the young with skills and generate millions of responsible jobs and improve the nation at the same time, and "we as a nation have the resources to do it". (If we as a nation could spend $$Trillion's fighting on the other side of the world, we should have no problem investing billions in our own people that will be worth countless $Trillions as the Future Unfolds and Develop.



Create "A DOMESTIC CIVIC CORP". This would improve our nation for the long term future and give us a solid program to do so.

Changing the Paradigm

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by OpinionInOcala

22% to 11% is pretty astonishing in a short period of time. I'd like to know more details about the updated 11% figure so that programs can be calibrated/refined in a meaningful way. U6 is probably what you suspect, though that's a separate (albeit somewhat related) consideration to be refined as well. The problem in this case seems to be one of opposing sides seeing only black and white solutions despite the data (as well as common sense) showing such perspectives are intellectually untenable.

I believe the article says 22% in 2011, so thats 6 years. not really all that short a period, but 11% today is still higher than every state.