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Old 06-12-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
My conscience is always clear.

I don't need YOU to tell me how should I feel.
Odd that you would demand over and over that I answer your question that I've answered before but you don't answer mine.

Why are we in Syria? Who authorized it?
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Old 06-12-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Odd that you would demand over and over that I answer your question that I've answered before but you don't answer mine.

Why are we in Syria? Who authorized it?
First of all, you have never answered my question.

Second paragraph, well, learn to ask me nicely, then I will answer your question.

By the way, if you want an honest debate, then you need to quote my ENTIRE post

This is the ENTIRE post

"My conscience is always clear.

I don't need YOU to tell me how should I feel. American troops are not perfect, but they don't target innocent civilians on purpose.

Your second paragraph has nothing to do with the point I was making. I have already posted, you can criticize American foreign policy all you want. But nothing changed the fact that No military force in modern history has worked as diligently to avoid civilian casualties. why? trigger happy madmen are not good for anybody. Get your fact straight."

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Old 06-12-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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First of all, you have never answered my question.

Second paragraph, well, learn to ask me nicely, then I will answer your question.

By the way, if you want an honest debate, then you need to quote my ENTIRE post

This is the ENTIRE post

"My conscience is always clear.

I don't need YOU to tell me how should I feel. American troops are not perfect, but they don't target innocent civilians on purpose.

Your second paragraph has nothing to do with the point I was making. I have already posted, you can criticize American foreign policy all you want. But nothing changed the fact that No military force in modern history has worked as diligently to avoid civilian casualties. why? trigger happy madmen are not good for anybody. Get your fact straight."
I've shown where we have not done what you said and my question goes directly to that fact. Why are we in Syria? Who authorized it?

We are killing innocent civilians in an illegal war in a place we have absolutely not business being in. With that the case, to make sure we do not kill civilians, we bring the troops home.

We drop a bomb from far off we know we are going to kill civilians, so we are targeting them in an illegal, unjust, indefensible war.

We make excuses for it but that does not bring the innocent people we kill back from the dead.

Past month ‘deadliest on record’ for Syrian civilians killed in US-led air strikes

Total of 225 people, including 36 women and 44 children, killed by friendly fire in the last four-week period, monitor says

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Why are we there at all?
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I've shown where we have not done what you said and my question goes directly to that fact. Why are we in Syria? Who authorized it?

We are killing innocent civilians in an illegal war in a place we have absolutely not business being in. With that the case, to make sure we do not kill civilians, we bring the troops home.

We drop a bomb from far off we know we are going to kill civilians, so we are targeting them in an illegal, unjust, indefensible war.

We make excuses for it but that does not bring the innocent people we kill back from the dead.

Past month ‘deadliest on record’ for Syrian civilians killed in US-led air strikes

Total of 225 people, including 36 women and 44 children, killed by friendly fire in the last four-week period, monitor says

Past month

Why are we there at all?
well, you can argue all day long that the wars are indefensible. I agree with you.

but nothing change the fact that No military force in modern history has worked as diligently to avoid civilian casualties.

I used to think you are just anti-war, now I think you are also anti military, well, based on your posting history. The genuine anti-war folks will always have my respect. You are not one of them.

Your calling US military "terrorists" says it all.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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So original. What's next? We going to sic Rambo and the Arnold on em? We are already at war with jihadists. What's more to do? Genocide? Something tells me that would be a bad idea. I wish for once that somebody would come up with some original and thought provoking strategy to deal with our foreign and domestic issues.
Ok let's have it? What solutions do you think might work?
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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well, you can argue all day long that the wars are indefensible. I agree with you.
So end of story. We are NOT doing all we can to limit civilian deaths. We have NO business being there.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So end of story. We are NOT doing all we can to limit civilian deaths. We have NO business being there.
well, it is not "end of the story"

NOBODY (certainly not me) disagreed with you when you said we had NO business being there.

But when you call u.s. military terrorists, you at least have some explanation to do.

Plus, I've never said "we are doing all we can to limit civilian deaths", I said, nothing change the fact that No military force in modern history has worked as diligently to avoid civilian casualties.
Calling US military terrorist is biased and quite frankly, mean spirited and dishonest and IGNORANT to say the least.

Why don't you volunteer at a VA hospital and talk to those genuine anti-war folks? NONE of them talks like you. Just sayin'
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:47 PM
 
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We had a president that admitted to torture and said he would do it again. We elected a president that said we should kill the terrorists and their families. We elected a president that armed terrorists out of a foreign country.

I've addressed this question. We are not any better than those we claim to be better than.
It's a good thing that our leaders are elected and that we, as a people, are able to challenge them, both in the voting booth and by the exercise of our free speech. I don't believe the American people as a people support torture, or killing the families of terrorists. I don't believe the American people want our government to arm terrorists either.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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It's a good thing that our leaders are elected and that we, as a people, are able to challenge them, both in the voting booth and by the exercise of our free speech. I don't believe the American people as a people support torture, or killing the families of terrorists. I don't believe the American people want our government to arm terrorists either.
And yet, that is what we voted for.

The people of Syria elected Assad also.
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Old 06-12-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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And yet, that is what we voted for.

The people of Syria elected Assad also.
Well, the majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump. He was elected to office because of a quirk in our election process. We'll have to see if he gets re-elected. I will say that I find it shocking that Trump has the support he does have, given his rhetoric. It dismays me that people tout their support of Trump as somehow being pro-American, when so much of what he proposes goes against American principles.

And the process in Syria isn't exactly a model for fair elections.
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