‘Kill them all’: GOP congressman calls for war against radical Islamists (Mossad, polls)

[agnostic soldier]

Radical Islamists are the ones forming rape gangs, blowing up innocent people, and running trucks into crowds of people, while showing no signs of stopping. Peace and appeasement doesn't work with these people; guns and war do. The far left remains willfully oblivious to this fact.

[OpinionInOcala]

Originally Posted by pknopp

Trump said that not only should we kill them, we should kill their families.

Explain to me the difference. We elected him as president.

Firstly, I neither approve of nor condone Trump's suggestion on the campaign trail that we should kill the families of radical Islamist threats simply by virtue of their relation. I would contend that a majority of Muslims are peaceful.

That being said, there's a pretty clear difference. Trump's ultimately bound by multiple layers of western law that prevent him from indiscriminately executing upon such a suggestion. In contrast, Islamic radicals don't abide by the same. They regularly:

• Hurl members of the LGBT community from the rooftops with impunity.
• Bury folks alive.
• Drown people in cages.
• Commit "honor killings" of women for the crime of adultery after the woman becomes the victim of rape.
• Behead believers of other faiths, most notably Christians and Jews.
• Throw battery acid in the faces of little girls for the crime of learning to read.
• Torture and murder people for the crime of apostasy (leaving the faith).
• Celebrate the deaths of the adolescent boys who are sent to hand-clear minefields in the hopes of endowing their families with celestial honor.
• Detonate a bomb-vest in a public setting against noncombatants.
• Hijack planes and fly them into buildings at 400mph in the name of Allah and with the prospect of receiving 72 virgins.
• Plow vans into groups of innocents only to exit such vehicles after the crash in order to slit the throats of anyone in proximity.

And they do these things under a completely plausible reading of their holy texts and with the unambiguous assurance of divine command guiding their hand.

Just research polls conducted in both first-world and Muslim-majority countries regarding support for things such as the death penalty for apostasy and support for suicide bombing. The results are horrific. It's not unreasonable to conclude that there are tens, if not hundreds, of millions of adherents that either support worldwide atrocity or would accept a role in exacting the same with the right motivation under the guise of defending that particular faith.

[mahasn sawresho]

Originally Posted by pknopp

We are attacking their countries, not the other way around.

Trump said that we should kill every one of them AND their families. When a president of a country says this, why is it that we expect them to act any different than we would act towards someone saying that?

Syria did absolutely nothing to us. We armed the "terrorists" there. We had no idea who we were backing and have helped to destroy their country. Is it really surprising that they would want to retaliate?

You do not know the truth
You are trying to give justification to Islamic terrorism in the world
First Americans did not go to Islamic countries for the purpose of picnic and inhalation of Mecca
The Americans went to Islamic countries on the basis of official invitations from those countries

After the Iraqi army entered Kuwait, official invitations were sent to the United States to lead the international coalition against Iraq
The fighting sprang from Saudi territory and aircraft bases in Qatar
And also from Incirlik Air Base in Turkey
In Afghanistan, US troops were sent by Islamic countries to rescue them from the threat of communism and to protect Muslims and their legitimacy in Afghanistan
US forces have also been involved in protecting Muslims in Bosnia and Serbia, at the invitation of an official Islamist
Now US troops are being dispatched on the basis of official invitations from Arab governments to protect them from the advance of the forces of the Islamic state
This is what is happening in Iraq and Syria
So US forces help Muslim Arab governments
2-America does not send its armies for fun and ask the spies and the rich
But sends it according to the strategy of protecting the interests of the American people
And also the interests of Europe and the free world
3-This is the fact that US forces are also participating in these wars
The question is why you want to change this truth
America also protects Muslims in their countries
And their protection is in curbing true Islam
Because true Islam represents a common danger to all the free world
4-Yes, Islamic countries do not represent true Islam
Because real Islam is in the applications of the Islamic state when it managed to control parts of Iraq and parts of Syria
That is why Islamic organizations are trying to transfer the battle to free and democratic countries
5-You are wrong when you say that these Islamic organizations behave according to the logic of the act and the reaction
6-The Islamic organizations and their various names are Wahhabis, Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Dawa Party in Iraq
They act in accordance with a legitimate Islamic policy stemming from its original source, the Koran
All move according to the term Islamic jurisprudence
(Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb)
House of Islam and House of War
It is a holistic term that summarizes the actions of Muslims in the free world

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by agnostic soldier

Radical Islamists are the ones forming rape gangs, blowing up innocent people, and running trucks into crowds of people, while showing no signs of stopping. Peace and appeasement doesn't work with these people; guns and war do. The far left remains willfully oblivious to this fact.

16 years and it has not worked.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by OpinionInOcala

Firstly, I neither approve of nor condone Trump's suggestion on the campaign trail that we should kill the families of radical Islamist threats simply by virtue of their relation. I would contend that a majority of Muslims are peaceful.

It really doesn't matter what you say you supported. Trump said it and he was elected. On top of that, we are doing it. Do I see you calling for it to stop or will you make excuse like others?

More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq - LA Times

That being said, there's a pretty clear difference. Trump's ultimately bound by multiple layers of western law that prevent him from indiscriminately executing upon such a suggestion. In contrast, Islamic radicals don't abide by the same. They regularly:

• Hurl members of the LGBT community from the rooftops with impunity.
• Bury folks alive.
• Drown people in cages.
• Commit "honor killings" of women for the crime of adultery after the woman becomes the victim of rape.
• Behead believers of other faiths, most notably Christians and Jews.
• Throw battery acid in the faces of little girls for the crime of learning to read.
• Torture and murder people for the crime of apostasy (leaving the faith).
• Celebrate the deaths of the adolescent boys who are sent to hand-clear minefields in the hopes of endowing their families with celestial honor.
• Detonate a bomb-vest in a public setting against noncombatants.
• Hijack planes and fly them into buildings at 400mph in the name of Allah and with the prospect of receiving 72 virgins.
• Plow vans into groups of innocents only to exit such vehicles after the crash in order to slit the throats of anyone in proximity.

And they do these things under a completely plausible reading of their holy texts and with the unambiguous assurance of divine command guiding their hand.

Just research polls conducted in both first-world and Muslim-majority countries regarding support for things such as the death penalty for apostasy and support for suicide bombing. The results are horrific. It's not unreasonable to conclude that there are tens, if not hundreds, of millions of adherents that either support worldwide atrocity or would accept a role in exacting the same with the right motivation under the guise of defending that particular faith.

In WWII hundreds of people jumped to their deaths rather than get captured by U.S. soldiers because they were told we did so many of those things. How we would rape and torture them if captured. Rather than see that happen they tossed themselves and their children off cliffs.

Propaganda is a strong tool.

(Don't click link if at work or you are squeamish)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...dBurma1945.jpg

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho

You do not know the truth
You are trying to give justification to Islamic terrorism in the world
First Americans did not go to Islamic countries for the purpose of picnic and inhalation of Mecca
The Americans went to Islamic countries on the basis of official invitations from those countries

No one invited us to overthrow the elected leaders in Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...3-iranian-coup

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by OpinionInOcala

In contrast, Islamic radicals don't abide by the same. They regularly:

• Hurl members of the LGBT community from the rooftops with impunity.
• Bury folks alive.
• Drown people in cages.
• Commit "honor killings" of women for the crime of adultery after the woman becomes the victim of rape.
• Behead believers of other faiths, most notably Christians and Jews.
• Throw battery acid in the faces of little girls for the crime of learning to read.
• Torture and murder people for the crime of apostasy (leaving the faith).
• Celebrate the deaths of the adolescent boys who are sent to hand-clear minefields in the hopes of endowing their families with celestial honor.
• Detonate a bomb-vest in a public setting against noncombatants.
• Hijack planes and fly them into buildings at 400mph in the name of Allah and with the prospect of receiving 72 virgins.
• Plow vans into groups of innocents only to exit such vehicles after the crash in order to slit the throats of anyone in proximity.

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All these scenarios you list have also been perpetrated on Americans by Americans so i dont think Islamic radical nut jobs are the sole perpetrators of such depraved actions.

[jimj]

Originally Posted by Vegabern

Me thinks some people don't understand what radicalizes these people in the first place.

Umm, their choice of religious belief?

[mahasn sawresho]

Originally Posted by pknopp

No one invited us to overthrow the elected leaders in Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...3-iranian-coup

Did you mean that Muslims in the world are fighting America because it helped the Iranians to topple Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953?
But here too you are trying to hide the truth and camouflage too
The real fact that the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mossadegh was because he wanted to nationalize Iranian oil from the British government
Europeans have discovered oil
Europeans, the free world, and Jewish scientists were able to use oil to serve humanity
Oil is found in Muslim lands
Who did not know anything about this raw
And I do not know why God did not tell them in the Qur'an about this wealth
And why they were crying about it and did not know the value of that wealth
And after the Europeans came with their science and also the Europeans
Including Jewish scholars
Agreements and treaties have been signed between the governments of Islam and the governments of the democratic West
In how to invest this raw
This happened in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states
So the oil investment in these countries was according to this context
But when Muhammad came to me
He wanted to nationalize the oil
He was directing a blow to these international agreements as well as the interests of Great Britain. Unfortunately, Britain will become the bottom because they made mistakes in allowing the plague to spread in their country.So the whole subject is interests and facts and is not an antagonism to Islam and Muslims and you want to mislead people
Did you know that now and knew the truth?

[jimj]

Originally Posted by Ferd

we do not have the will power or willingness to do what needs to be done to end this. Aint going to happen. I get the frustration the Rep is expressing but he doesn't have it any more right than those that are suggesting this is a war of ideology that cannot be defeated. It can be. but we will not do it.

The way to win this would require invasion, and occupation for 3 generations where anyone expressing a version of Islam that included Political Islam is stamped out. Religious Islam is fine. Political Islam is the enemy.

and it will remain the enemy as long as it exists... Political Islam has been the enemy of every single Muslim since Muhammad died. They have been killing each other for 1400 years. Now they have just decided the west gets to join the party.

What we will do is play nice with some of them, drone bomb others of them. support some in their war with others and in general wax poetic about peace.

which will not happen. not until they set off a nuclear bomb somewhere in the west, then we will maybe retaliate against all of them... but even then I am not hopeful.

The above is a pretty accurate way to describe what's going on and what would be needed to actually stop radical religious nutcases.

As for the theory of pulling back to our borders and that will calm things? Unfortunately something called Nuclear weapons were invented years ago which drastically changed things. Had that never been invented we could pull back and let these barbarians fight it out without too much worry.

This all will eventually come to a head because as certain as the sun comes up in the morning some radical lunatic is going to commit a very large,very deadly act that will light the fires of hell. Someone will eventually get ahold of some sort of Nuclear weapon (either dirty bomb or actual small bomb) and light it off. It's hard to stop someone who doesn't care if they die and worse yet, actually WANT TO.

There's way too many people who have no qualms about using any means at any cost to get their way for this ending to be avoided unless we as a world totally eliminate what drives them...