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Old 06-07-2017, 09:21 PM
 
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If Trump were to be impeached based solely on whatever know at this very exact second. Do you really think this country will survive or deserve to survive another 6-9 months? Yes, even I know that any President need not be convicted of a crime to be impeached. But the liberal members of this board need to realize that hat what you advocate will be the beginning of a slippery slope that we will not survive. If taken to its eventual logical conclusion we will have, in 10 years time people demanding impeachment for transgressions along the lines of thinking episode 1-3 were the best so far. And yes, there are people out there that are that nutso.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:48 AM
 
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If Trump were to be impeached based solely on whatever know at this very exact second. Do you really think this country will survive or deserve to survive another 6-9 months? Yes, even I know that any President need not be convicted of a crime to be impeached. But the liberal members of this board need to realize that hat what you advocate will be the beginning of a slippery slope that we will not survive. If taken to its eventual logical conclusion we will have, in 10 years time people demanding impeachment for transgressions along the lines of thinking episode 1-3 were the best so far. And yes, there are people out there that are that nutso.
Absolutely. At this point Trump is immensely unpopular despite the fan base here, he has only a 34% approval rating in the general public. Thats not that much better then Nixon.

And really? you want to start the slippery slope argument? Look at what Clinton got impeached for. Trump at this point has gone way beyond that.

We will survive. Pence will carry on, and drive the Republican agenda far more succesfully then Trump can at this point. If anything you folks should cheer this idea on. Want to pass legislation? Trumps not your guy, Pence is.

This isnt about politics. If it was Trump would be our guy, he is absolutely destroying Republican polling and votes.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:52 AM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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2. The only people who appear to bring Clinton becoming president because of it so far have been people like you.
Some people want to impeach Trump, and have him removed from office because they think Hillary would be president. That's the only reason why they want to waste time with it.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:54 AM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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And really? you want to start the slippery slope argument? Look at what Clinton got impeached for. Trump at this point has gone way beyond that.
Clinton was impeached, but he was acquitted by the senate.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I still believe crimes or collusion with a foreign power to be necessary in this case, because those favoring impeachment (be they Democrat or Republican) cannot bring a knife to a gunfight. If they're going to shoot, they can't miss...because that will embolden Trump even more and make him even more dangerous if he survives the scandal (and truly was guilty of crimes against the country).
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That would be a problem, if Democrats held the house and the senate. Why didn't they impeach Bush, when they had the chance?
Because there was nothing to impeach Bush on. His reasons for going to war might have been wrong, but going to war was within his power, and Congress approved it. It wasn't the first time we went to war over the wrong reasons, and probably won't be the last.

You seem to think a Presidential impeachment can happen willy-nilly. It can't. Forced removal from office is a very serious matter, as it defies the will of the people who elected the President.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:11 AM
 
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Because there was nothing to impeach Bush on. His reasons for going to war might have been wrong, but going to war was within his power, and Congress approved it. It wasn't the first time we went to war over the wrong reasons, and probably won't be the last.

You seem to think a Presidential impeachment can happen willy-nilly. It can't. Forced removal from office is a very serious matter, as it defies the will of the people who elected the President.
America's Political Will as being and to remain being a Democracy that Stands on Ethic's is at question and at stake, We are facing Foreign Political Corruption and Foreign Engagement during Candidacy and during ascension into the seat of the Presidency, and the President and the Administration stonewalling, and engaging in acts of Concealment of Treasonous Inferences in Conduct of High Level Executive Administration.

We will weaken this nation if we make the Wrong Decision.... and allow this to pass, without Regime Change.

We will be known as a nation that is great Hypocrisy, who stomps around the world promoting Regime Changes for Reasons that we will not invoke the same duty upon and unto itself. that conveys a weakness that is not easily overcome, nor will it be soon forgotten.

the Challenge Facing America is "bigger than the man", and far bigger than an organization of men at the Executive Level of this Democracy. It is about what our Democracy Represents, and what is the strength and Power of the United States. It goes even further, when we watch the push from within to weaken the Federal Regulatory Governance in lieu of promoting State Rights to usurp the Federal System of Regulator Governance.

Trump's activities in pursuit of Office and within the Office of the Presidency has put us at a point of challenge far similar to the aims of what a Foreign Invasion would invoke, yet, we are seeing it happen from within and in association with a known Enemy of the State as Nation.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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best chance to impeach President Stupid would be to make him try and pass a basic 6th grade knowledge test
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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During conversations here I realized that a lot of folks do not understand something. Impeachment does not require a actual crime with associated penalty.

Impeachment requires "High crimes and misdemeanors". And looking at it you think, hey misdemeanors are crimes! And you are right. but...what EXACTLY are high crimes? Most people assume its all about felonies, or the big ones like treason, etc. But when written "high crimes and misdemeanors" had a much different understanding. Its a "term of art" like other phrases such as "due process", and "levying war". The supreme court has ruled that things like this need to be interpreted as the understanding at the time they were written.

Benjamin Franklin supported impeachment as Reading through documentation of the times on the topic, its quite clear that impeachment could be for entirely subjective reasons. Violations of public trusts for example.

James Madison successfully argued that an election every four years did not provide enough of a check on a president who was incapacitated or abusing the power of the office. He contended that some wanted maladministration during the discussion of the constitution, but most felt that would open up too much "he disagreed with me, s lets impeach" basically. The convention in the end adopted "high crimes and misdemeanors" as it was a commonly used term as the English parliament used it. Officials accused of it had done mavy varied things-some which were crimes, and many which were not.

Hamilton defined it this way in Federalist No. 65:
The Avalon Project : Federalist No 65
So the argument that it requires a criminal offense.....doesn't hold water in my opinion.
All that is required is Snowflake election night butt hurt tears extended forward....and we have plenty of that

See you in 2020 to see if you can actually defeat Trump....doesn't seem remotely likely at this point.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:22 AM
 
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Some people want to impeach Trump, and have him removed from office because they think Hillary would be president. That's the only reason why they want to waste time with it.
hmmm... no. Where do you get such ideas? Did the democratic presidential candidate get to become prez when nixon stepped down to avoid being impeached? Nooooo. Personally, I just hope this drags on and on so that the republicans don't get a lot of their agenda in place.
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