Will there be another wave of European immigration? (Christmas, cost, private school)
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So, what are you saying? There is no need for the study of economics, then? No need for economists? We should have doctors and engineers assessing, monitoring, and regulating the economy? God help us.
Doctors and scientists don't only work in the US, you know? There are highly successful doctors in Europe (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc) who would never want to come to the US to live and work for what are legitimate reasons to them. Are their opinions devoid of "science," too?
Don't want to get too off topic, but if "science" is all that matters, I guess we should never place any value on what journalists, writers and editors say and do, either. Shrug off teachers, professors, and other educators. Disregard politicians and lawyers (I admit that one DOES sound good). Dismiss sociologists, political scientists, PR professionals. Who the heck cares what business and advertising execs; HR professionals; counsellors; psychologists; social workers; historians; police officers, firefighters, and other public safety personnel, etc. have to say? Only scientific evidence in double blind studies legitimizes anything.
You are talking about apples and oranges...and pears and grapefruit, and watermelons. Things happen and people write those things down. We call those people historians. No studies are necessary. We have laws. When someone breaks one of our laws, police officers arrest them. It's pretty simple. When you are talking about the soft sciences, that is a different story. I don't dismiss sociologists and economists, but I do take much of what they say with a grain of salt. They are more useful to me when they stick to fact based logic, like economic policy, but even then, they can't seem to agree on anything. I'm not saying there is not a use for them. Just that I don't always agree with their conclusions, just as they don't always agree with each other's.
I'm not sure I understand where you are going with that middle paragraph about scientists and doctors from other countries. I don't think that I said anything in disagreement with that.
It would be great to see the 64/65 immigration Act repealed with priority given to Europeans.
The reason low numbers of Europeans immigrate to the US is due far less to the 1965 Immigration Act than with the fact that few Europeans have any interest in leaving Europe, least of all for the United States. Especially since November, 2016.
Besides, if you have such a problem with "leftists," why on Earth would you want more Europeans here? You do realize that most Europeans are more to the left than the Democrats, right?
I've never visited Finland. From what I have seen of it on television, it looks beautiful. But I'm trying to get a grasp on the economics of it all. If $60K is a "high salary", and $200k is a "ridiculously high income", how does anyone there afford these homes on this real estate site below? Most of them look like middle class homes, but most seem out of reach for people only making $60k, especially considering that they are priced in Euros. Do people there take out 50 year mortgages or something?
Houses are expensive in the big cities, but outside of the cities they are much much cheaper - my house cost 79,000 euros and is a two and a half storey detached house with a large garden and double garage/workshop.
Bear in mind that most families have two incomes coming in as the employment rate for women is high and in the city salaries are higher than the average.
I think 20-30 year mortgages are the norm. People will usually rent for longer while saving up the deposit for a house and its common to own a flat instead of a house. Its also common to own a summer house too so people manage despite salaries being lower. You have to remember they don't have to pay for all that extra stuff you need to in the US - health insurance, university, big student loans (we have student loans but you don't need big ones because tuition is free and every student gets a stipend of several hundred euros a month plus housing support), property tax isn't so high (mine is about 200 euros a year) - basically its a lot cheaper to live here despite VAT.
The reason low numbers of Europeans immigrate to the US is due far less to the 1965 Immigration Act than with the fact that few Europeans have any interest in leaving Europe, least of all for the United States. Especially since November, 2016.
Besides, if you have such a problem with "leftists," why on Earth would you want more Europeans here? You do realize that most Europeans are more to the left than the Democrats, right?
Then there is no harm in changing the 64/65 immigration act. It has not worked out well for us. There is a danger of the "lazy Socialist European" showing up and complaining he does not get enough free stuff but then again we most likely will see some very hard working people that will thrive under our economic and political system that allows them to excel.
They are not coming in large numbers that's for sure. I can understand why. Its sad to watch but the US is faltering badly. No matter where you go in this country now. There are huge populations of low income immigrants. I live in a neighborhood that has become dominated by Hispanic immigrants. I don't know if they are legal or not. I see none that seem interested in assimilating into US culture. That was not the case with European immigrants. They retained their culture but wanted to be Americans.
I just can't see them wanting to come here in masses in this day and age. Not the way this country has become. Between our violence and lack of Health Care etc etc. The list goes on and on now. What would be the point now.
Houses are expensive in the big cities, but outside of the cities they are much much cheaper - my house cost 79,000 euros and is a two and a half storey detached house with a large garden and double garage/workshop.
Bear in mind that most families have two incomes coming in as the employment rate for women is high and in the city salaries are higher than the average.
I think 20-30 year mortgages are the norm. People will usually rent for longer while saving up the deposit for a house and its common to own a flat instead of a house. Its also common to own a summer house too so people manage despite salaries being lower. You have to remember they don't have to pay for all that extra stuff you need to in the US - health insurance, university, big student loans (we have student loans but you don't need big ones because tuition is free and every student gets a stipend of several hundred euros a month plus housing support), property tax isn't so high (mine is about 200 euros a year) - basically its a lot cheaper to live here despite VAT.
So most people that make a "high" salary of $60k live out in the country, away from the cities? And people that make a "ridiculously high salary" of $200k can live closer to the city, but in spite of their "ridiculously high salary" they still must live in homes that would be considered middle class homes in the US? BTW, most of those "high priced" homes don't look like they are in a city. They have trees and grass all around them with no other homes in site. Are they in suburbs of the major cities? How far out do you have to go to afford a decent family sized home on $60k x2?
So based on these salaries, traveling must be very expensive for people from Finland.
And what about automobiles? In America, someone with a "ridiculously high salary" is able to afford whatever car he wants. Assuming cars cost around the same amount, in Finland, someone with a "ridiculously high salary" cannot. I drive a Range Rover that cost me slightly over $100k. If I only earned $200k a year, I would never buy a $100k car. I doubt I would even buy a car that is half that price. So do only Finland's "super rich" drive Range Rovers and other cars in that price range? And then who buys the cars that are much more expensive than that? Do most people drive very inexpensive cars or do people there just spend a higher percentage of their income on automobiles?
How about the price of food? Would you say it costs more, less or the same as in the US. I am assuming the VAT doesn't apply to food?
They are not coming in large numbers that's for sure. I can understand why. Its sad to watch but the US is faltering badly. No matter where you go in this country now. There are huge populations of low income immigrants. I live in a neighborhood that has become dominated by Hispanic immigrants. I don't know if they are legal or not. I see none that seem interested in assimilating into US culture. That was not the case with European immigrants. They retained their culture but wanted to be Americans.
I just can't see them wanting to come here in masses in this day and age. Not the way this country has become. Between our violence and lack of Health Care etc etc. The list goes on and on now. What would be the point now.
If we can keep Trump in office for 8 years and maybe Pence for 8 years after that this will be a different country and much more desirable for anyone who wants to become weatlhy in America.
The country will remain safe for Christians and Jews and for families.
Germany is about the size of Georgia. It's shocking the numbers of these refugees they are allowing in who WILL NOT conform or assimilate into German culture.
Either the German culture will die or there will be another war that will make the last one seem like a picnic.
I'm a German-American and I have cousins over there and I know what THEY THINK. This will not end well for the refugees.
Then there is no harm in changing the 64/65 immigration act. It has not worked out well for us. There is a danger of the "lazy Socialist European" showing up and complaining he does not get enough free stuff but then again we most likely will see some very hard working people that will thrive under our economic and political system that allows them to excel.
You don't get it.
Europeans, generally speaking, have ZERO interest in living in the US. As left-leaning peoples, they believe strongly in hallmarks of European life, like universal healthcare, 6-weeks (minimum) of standard vacation time, generous maternity and paternity leaves, strict gun control, etc. They possess a profound determination to avoid war at any cost (they, like my family, witnessed the devastation of war which most Americans know nothing about). And they, for the most part, are appalled by Trump.
If we can keep Trump in office for 8 years and maybe Pence for 8 years after that this will be a different country and much more desirable for anyone who wants to become weatlhy in America.
The country will remain safe for Christians and Jews and for families.
Germany is about the size of Georgia. It's shocking the numbers of these refugees they are allowing in who WILL NOT conform or assimilate into German culture.
Either the German culture will die or there will be another war that will make the last one seem like a picnic.
I'm a German-American and I have cousins over there and I know what THEY THINK. This will not end well for the refugees.
Let me first say that I'm not a fan of mass immigration of ANY group.
But if you're a German-American, one would think you'd have more empathy for refugees. After all, Germany, perpetrator of WWII, was, nonetheless, destroyed by it.
Wouldn't it have been inhumane to ban innocent German citizens -- who had no control over the evil the monsters Hitler and his fellow Nazi's carried out? Or do you think we should have prohibited your parents/grandparents and other German refugees from entering the US? Germany HAD BEEN the enemy, after all, and a formidable one at that. How could we have known if your family wasn't going to pose a danger to Americans, or if they would integrate into mainstream Anglo-American culture?
Have you ever thought this through?
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