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Old 06-25-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Are any of you that are so worried NOW going to start saving for retirement? Or just continue winging it demanding someone else care for you when at some point, you can't?
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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Don't people over 65 not only qualify for medicare, but are compelled to have medicare as a means of medical insurance? Medicaid is for the poor under 65, isn't it? So how is a 70 year old going to be affected if medicaid is cut?
Medicare is health insurance for those 65 and over (and some disabled which are on SSDI). Medicare only covers nursing homes for the first 60 days after hospitalization. When elderly move into nursing homes for the rest of their lives, they use up all of their savings to pay for the nursing home care. After their savings are exhausted, they become poor (even if they were middle class their entire lives and had nice homes, good jobs, owned busineses, etc) . Once they get on Medicaid after spending all their money on the nursing home, then MEDICAID begins paying for the nursing home. It's approx $85000/year for a nursing home. Someone in a nursing home can spend through their live savings pretty quickly and eventually become poor enough to go on Medicaid.

65 percent of all people in nursing homes in the USA are on medicaid. Many of the others in nursing homes that aren't on Medicaid are self paying with their life savings but many of these eventually spend all their savings on the Nursing Home and eventually go on Medicaid once that money is gone.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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Massive tax cuts at the expense of the most frail.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:53 AM
 
Location: FL
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It's the 'pubs who have had 8 years to come up with an answer to Obamacare that they detest so much, and THIS IS their solution. Now that we've seen it, it's time to fight it and kill it. No one's grandma should get kicked out just so the 0.1% can further line their pockets...as if THEY care about the country's debt and future.


Many people in nursing homes have no one.
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:08 AM
 
Location: State of Confusion
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Many people in nursing homes have no one.

Did they have anyone before the huge expansion of medicaid under President Obama? It's only a problem now that republicans want to cut, err I mean restore medicaid back to pre-ObamaCare levels? This is just a little too tidy of a blame game for me. Decades without huge expansions to medicaid, then all of a sudden it's expanded under democrat control, but now that the other side is proposing restoring funding to historic levels, it's all of a sudden a huge deal?

Is it possible that the left, with the aid of a left leaning media, are making a mountain out of a molehill, just like they are doing with the possible elimination of ObamaCare?
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Did they have anyone before the huge expansion of medicaid under President Obama? It's only a problem now that republicans want to cut, err I mean restore medicaid back to pre-ObamaCare levels? This is just a little too tidy of a blame game for me. Decades without huge expansions to medicaid, then all of a sudden it's expanded under democrat control, but now that the other side is proposing restoring funding to historic levels, it's all of a sudden a huge deal?

Is it possible that the left, with the aid of a left leaning media, are making a mountain out of a molehill, just like they are doing with the possible elimination of ObamaCare?
But that is NOT what they are doing. They are going much farther than 'restoring Medicaid to a pre-Obama' era.

That's a problem.

If you are young now - with younger parents - this is not an issue for you. There are two options now for dealing with very ill or failing parents. 1. Kid takes care of parent - which can be doable depending on employment status and normal health for Parent.

2. Nursing Home for very ill (stroke victims, dementia, ALZ, etc parents).
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Why would anyone take you seriously when you use words like Dumpf, repugs, repugnican?
Drama-Drama-Drama

People will DIE! Trump is going to kill us. The constant Drama of predicted Armageddon is so old and tired.
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:16 AM
 
Location: State of Confusion
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But that is NOT what they are doing. They are going much farther than 'restoring Medicaid to a pre-Obama' era.

That's a problem.

If you are young now - with younger parents - this is not an issue for you. There are two options now for dealing with very ill or failing parents. 1. Kid takes care of parent - which can be doable depending on employment status and normal health for Parent.

2. Nursing Home for very ill (stroke victims, dementia, ALZ, etc parents).

Are you suggesting that people didn't stay in "Nursing Home(s) for very ill (stroke victims, dementia, ALZ, etc parents)" before ObamaCare and the huge expansion of medicaid?
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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ACA wasn't perfect and both parties should had worked on improving it. Instead what we have now is a Republican controlled congress that wil make sure AAC fails and at the same time creating a worse solution.

But as long as the public rallies behind the Party banners we will get crappy bills that their sole purpose is to score political points rather than help actual Americans.

Maybe we deserve the crap that we have gotten and the even crappier stuff we are about to get but continue to blindly voting down party lines.
I agree with you - you do deserve whatever you get when the Democrats have been very, very clear that they will OBSTRUCT and do nothing. Obama threatened a VETO if his precious ObamaCare was ever touched and so the Democrats never would work on it. It's so convoluted that any one thing removed can make it implode - it was never funded and costs are out of control with enrollment decreasing. 20 Million can't lose their ObamaCare because there are only about 10 Million even signed up this year and the same last year.

You want a Non "crappy" bill -- contact your CongressCritters and demand that THEY get to work on Health Care instead of whining about it.

ACA was always a disaster because it was Crammed Down with ZERO Republican votes, any new Health Care Law will be the same UNLESS the Democrats participate for the good of ALL Americans.

Obstruction will not win the day.
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Nice, France
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What were people like you thinking 30 years ago? How can anyone be so clueless to play the grasshopper in the story?
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Are any of you that are so worried NOW going to start saving for retirement? Or just continue winging it demanding someone else care for you when at some point, you can't?

The woman in OP's story seemingly has done more than her share.
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Alice Jacobs, 90, once owned a factory and horses. She has raised four children and buried two husbands.

But years in an assisted living center drained her savings, and now she relies on Medicaid to pay for her care at Dogwood Village, a nonprofit, county-owned nursing home here.
I guess it still wasn't enough to deserve to be treated decently, right?

I'd be curious to know what MORE she should have done, in addition to working her whole life, being a financial success and raising 4 kids?

What exactly would meet your empathy?



Are these other people mentionned in the article also worthy of your disdain?
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Her fellow residents include former teachers, farmers, doctors, lawyers and health aides
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