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Old 06-25-2017, 10:50 AM
 
Location: The City of Buffalo!
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We have to have a system that is affordable. A blank check is not affordable. We can be a compassionate society with an appropriate safety net without it being a blank check.
You mean like it is to the military, a "blank check"?
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:02 AM
 
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Don't people over 65 not only qualify for medicare, but are compelled to have medicare as a means of medical insurance? Medicaid is for the poor under 65, isn't it? So how is a 70 year old going to be affected if medicaid is cut?

Unless I am completely mistaken about the roles and differences between medicare and medicaid, I'm sensing the media might be playing on the ignorance and emotions of people.
A person can be enrolled in Medicare and Medicaid at the same time, depending on their income level. Medicare is totally a Federal Program (and you are correct, you must enroll at age 65 & begin paying Medicare premiums) - Medicaid is run by the States with about half the funding coming from the Federal Government.

The Media DOES "play on the emotions an ignorance" of people. Cost reductions of Medicaid impact State Budgets because the States run the Medicaid programs and they have ballooned the program under the Obama Administration with Pie in the Sky promises that States now will have trouble paying for.

THAT is the real issue.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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A person can be enrolled in Medicare and Medicaid at the same time, depending on their income level. Medicare is totally a Federal Program (and you are correct, you must enroll at age 65 & begin paying Medicare premiums) - Medicaid is run by the States with about half the funding coming from the Federal Government.

The Media DOES "play on the emotions an ignorance" of people. Cost reductions of Medicaid impact State Budgets because the States run the Medicaid programs and they have ballooned the program under the Obama Administration with Pie in the Sky promises that States now will have trouble paying for.

THAT is the real issue.
The states got greedy and everyone wants to blame it on the Republicans. No wonder they keep talking about "grandma dying in the streets". Playing that emotion card again when in reality, they should be going after the state that they live in and demand answers.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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The woman in OP's story seemingly has done more than her share.


I guess it still wasn't enough to deserve to be treated decently, right?

I'd be curious to know what MORE she should have done, in addition to working her whole life, being a financial success and raising 4 kids?

What exactly would meet your empathy?



Are these other people mentionned in the article also worthy of your disdain?
Be sure and get back to us when Alice is tossed into the street to die. The New York Times article is fear mongering with their "Alice COULD get tossed out to die" ...... that is simply not going to happen and they know it's not going to happen.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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A person can be enrolled in Medicare and Medicaid at the same time, depending on their income level. Medicare is totally a Federal Program (and you are correct, you must enroll at age 65 & begin paying Medicare premiums) - Medicaid is run by the States with about half the funding coming from the Federal Government.

The Media DOES "play on the emotions an ignorance" of people. Cost reductions of Medicaid impact State Budgets because the States run the Medicaid programs and they have ballooned the program under the Obama Administration with Pie in the Sky promises that States now will have trouble paying for.

THAT is the real issue.
No, the real issue is that most people in nursing homes or disabled people rely on Medicaid to survive and live with some dignity.

Massive cuts to Medicaid means the elderly will be kicked out of the nursing homes and out on the streets. Their only hope is that they have children who can afford to quit their jobs, pay massive amounts of money for medicine and medical equipment and also become a full time carer. If not, tough luck. And the disabled will also no longer get the care they need, including disabled children. This is Trump's America. Massive tax breaks for the ruling donor class to be funded by the elderly, the disabled and sick children.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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Be sure and get back to us when Alice is tossed into the street to die. The New York Times article is fear mongering with their "Alice COULD get tossed out to die" ...... that is simply not going to happen and they know it's not going to happen.
Of course it will when the facility no longer has the funds, they must reduce the number of residents. Why not embrace the consequences of the bill? Medicaid should be cut to the bone, and ideally eliminated, that is the donor class agenda. That means everyone fend for themselves. If you dont have $80 000 per year to pay for nursing home, tough luck. No money, no care. Out on the streets.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Any ideas about what would happen to retirees like 90 year old Alice Jacobs of Orange, Virginia if she is forced out of her county nursing home due to proposed Medicaid cuts? For those without family..... (in the NY Times article below) She once owned a factory and horses, but her funds are exhausted.

Maybe churches would help find a place for her to live? But needing the services that a nursing home provides, that seems complicated or beyond reach.

Medicaid Cuts May Force Retirees Out of Nursing Homes

by Jordan Rau - June 24, 2017 - New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/s...T.nav=top-news
Look up the meaning of "POSSIBLY" as it will come in handy reviewing the anti-Trump's comments. Everything I read had "POSSIBLY". Seriously, one has to learn to do autopsies on all of this liberal media crap before running with it and looking
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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Look up the meaning of "POSSIBLY" as it will come in handy reviewing the anti-Trump's comments. Everything I read had "POSSIBLY". Seriously, one has to learn to do autopsies on all of this liberal media crap before running with it and looking
Well, yes, because the bill might possibly pass. As long as the bill hasnt passed yet, it is still not certain that it will happen. But when the bill passes, people must prepare to suffer. Medicaid is being slashed to the bone and big insurance companies are again allowed to jack up the premiums for 50-64 year olds and kick off anyone from their rolls who are too costly for them (very sick people and the disabled). Why are we surprised by this? The ruling donor class have made it very clear what they want. Eliminating all programs that help ordinary Americans in order to transfer more money to the billionaire class who fund the puppets people vote for.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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The states got greedy and everyone wants to blame it on the Republicans. No wonder they keep talking about "grandma dying in the streets". Playing that emotion card again when in reality, they should be going after the state that they live in and demand answers.
As I read through this thread, I find it astounding that posters don't understand that Medicaid is a STATE Program and that it is a program for those in Poverty. It is NOT "basically a Middle Class program", it never was and it never will be. Federal Money is certainly a part of Medicaid, but the programs are administered by the States. Some States were Gruber'ed by the false promises of ObamaCare and greatly expanded their programs to "get the MONEY" ..... now THEY have to figure out what to do as that 'free money' will be gradually reduced as the unsustainable ACA goes away before it completely craters and burns.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Nice, France
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Be sure and get back to us when Alice is tossed into the street to die. The New York Times article is fear mongering with their "Alice COULD get tossed out to die" ...... that is simply not going to happen and they know it's not going to happen.
I certainly hope you're right.

It is nevertheless your duty as a citizen to make sure it NEVER happens and that means by not believing these arguments are necessarily partisan and wrong, de facto.

Otherwise it's nothing but ostrich's head in the sand policy.
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