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Old 06-25-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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I guess the OP forgets that New York costs a lot more than Utah.

What do New York teachers earn vs teachers in Utah?

 
Old 06-25-2017, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Actually yes, the average teacher salary in the NYC Public Schools is around $100k/yr+, and that does not go far in NYC, which requires that workers live in the 5 boroughs if they work for the city
I am in Nebraska which is full of Republicans in name only and they spend a whopping $11,946 a year per-pupil but when these children grow up they will be paying the extremely high property taxes that won't make the good education worth it.

I read an article that even here in Nebraska the payroll per school employee is around $64,000 a year for about 180 days of work. I was at a Whole Foods next to a school administration building here in Nebraska and administrators were spending $20-$30 for lunch and exotic waters from other countries thanks to the high taxes.

In Arizona and Utah, teachers make a fair wage with good benefits but not the gold-plated packages that teachers get in other states.

A bunch of liberal Rockefeller Republicans in Nebraska compared to Reagan/Goldwater Republicans in Arizona and Utah.

I laugh at what these people pay in property tax, compared to back in Arizona. Arizona has strict property tax limitations to ensure that seniors can stay in their homes and not have greedy, liberal school boards raiding the pensions and social security seniors worked so hard just so school boards can go on spending sprees.

If these children being educated in the high-spending Nebraska schools the extra earnings for being so educated will go to the excessive state taxes.

Same with New York state and their high taxes. I look and laugh at what they pay in property taxes, state taxes and every other tax they have created as opposed to Arizona low taxes.

Nebraska has socialist liberals masquerading as conservative Republicans.

Utah and Arizona have pro-growth Reagan and Goldwater Republicans that know that the only way to prosperity is tax cuts at the state and local level.

I miss Arizona and the fiscally conservative, pro-economic agenda of the legislature as the state spends $7,400 a year on public schools.

Odd, how every day there seems to be big announcements of huge company relocations to Arizona thanks to the very low taxes.

What good is spending astronomical amounts of money on education if businesses can't move there.

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Old 06-25-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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There is quite a number of tenured teachers that break the $100k mark in the NYC Public schools
"Quite number of tenured teachers" has nothing to do with the average.
 
Old 06-25-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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So. You have no problem "throwing more money" at wars!
I'm surprised you managed to break away from your "whites are racist and blacks are victims" threads to even notice anything else.
 
Old 06-25-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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I am in Nebraska which is full of Republicans in name only and they spend a whopping $11,946 a year per-pupil but when these children grow up they will be paying the extremely high property taxes that won't make the good education worth it.

Nebraska has socialist liberals masquerading as conservative Republicans.

Utah and Arizona have pro-growth Reagan and Goldwater Republicans that know that the only way to prosperity is tax cuts at the state and local level.

I miss Arizona and the fiscally conservative, pro-economic agenda of the legislature as the state spends $7,400 a year on public schools.

Odd, how every day there seems to be big announcements of huge company relocations to Arizona thanks to the very low taxes.

What good is spending astronomical amounts of money on education if businesses can't move there.
Pffft...please.

Fiscally conservative? Not all that long ago, we had to close our rest areas in this state because we couldn't pay for them.

Meanwhile, we magically found the money to enlarge the Arizona ADOT and turn them into yet another law enforcement agency. Why? So that they could have an ample force of officers who could fine truckers to death.

Let's not forget the millions spent on speeding cameras statewide that ended up being a total failure! Why'd we try it? Because our idiot Republican lawmakers are too afraid to make Arizonans pay for the big government programs they love so much, and instead wanted to fine us to death in order to get the money.

And education? LMAO... Arizona ranks near the bottom. If it weren't for such sorry hellholes like Mississippi, we WOULD be on the bottom.

And businesses moving here? Laughable. Despite the fact that we're probably the oldest right to work state, we've done a **** poor job of attracting business here. Tucson has to constantly bribe Raytheon into staying. We lost the Tesla battery factory bid (despite promising them all of our firstborn children)...same for the Boeing bid. Went elsewhere.

So please...stop it.
 
Old 06-25-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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I'm surprised you managed to break away from your "whites are racist and blacks are victims" threads to even notice anything else.
Again, you have no problems throwing more money at wars. And they've all been failures.

Address that or expose yourself as a lame.
 
Old 06-25-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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Again, you have no problems throwing more money at wars. And they've all been failures.

Address that or expose yourself as a lame.
Tell me. Which wars did I support throwing more money at? Provide a reference to one of my posts.
 
Old 06-25-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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Wow, look at that I can cherry pick stats too:

MA spends 5x more total than Utah:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/...sp?current=yes

Even when you normalize the amount of spending based on the number of pupils

USOE - Data - Enrollment and Demographics (~620k)

2016-17 Enrollment by Grade Statewide Report (~950k)

MA spends nearly 3x more on education per pupil than Utah. What are the results? MA by far and away has the best system of education out of any state in the Union by almost every metric on the books using the OP's source:

Reading Scores 2015: MA 235, UT 226

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/...eferrer=report


Mathematics Scores 2015: MA 297, UT 286

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/...eferrer=report

(science 2015 not available AFAIK)

I can tell you that we had tons and tons of kids from areas like NoVA and MA at our instution when I was in grad school for engineering at a top institution in our field. There's something in the water in MA - they absolutely eat science and math for breakfast, and many of their parents are foreigners who work for institutions like Harvard/MIT, work for the massive biotech industry in and around Boston, or for companies like Northrop etc...


Gosh, how does a liberal, socialist hell hole like MA have some of the highest standards of living, the best education in the country, and healthcare for all of its residents?

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Old 06-25-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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Things are not all rosy in Utah. Teachers are leaving the profession and a shortage looms. Utah facing teacher shortage | KUTV
 
Old 06-25-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Pffft...please.

Fiscally conservative? Not all that long ago, we had to close our rest areas in this state because we couldn't pay for them.

Meanwhile, we magically found the money to enlarge the Arizona ADOT and turn them into yet another law enforcement agency. Why? So that they could have an ample force of officers who could fine truckers to death.

Let's not forget the millions spent on speeding cameras statewide that ended up being a total failure! Why'd we try it? Because our idiot Republican lawmakers are too afraid to make Arizonans pay for the big government programs they love so much, and instead wanted to fine us to death in order to get the money.

And education? LMAO... Arizona ranks near the bottom. If it weren't for such sorry hellholes like Mississippi, we WOULD be on the bottom.

And businesses moving here? Laughable. Despite the fact that we're probably the oldest right to work state, we've done a **** poor job of attracting business here. Tucson has to constantly bribe Raytheon into staying. We lost the Tesla battery factory bid (despite promising them all of our firstborn children)...same for the Boeing bid. Went elsewhere.

So please...stop it.
https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/az_phoenix_msa.htm

Companies love the conservative low-tax values of the Arizona legislature 2.4% job growth rate for metropolitan Phoenix.

Many people move from high-tax, high-school spending states in the Midwest and move to Arizona because they want to enjoy their life rather then living in states where the school boards, counties assessors and state legislatures are constantly meeting behind closed doors to raise taxes as much as they can even if it means Grandma has to eat canned cat food and lose her house from not able to afford property tax.

Seems like the low-taxes in Arizona, Nevada, Utah prove that low taxes are more important for business then the school board socialists.

Seems like every day new massive job announcements of big employers rushing into Arizona and Nevada because they know that the the Arizona and Nevada legislature put job-creating business before liberal school board socialists.

https://www.bls.gov/regions/mountain...s/utah.htm#eag

Utah has 3.3% job growth. I guess spending one-third per-pupil of ultra-liberal New York has not discouraged businesses at all, as Utah has some of the highest job growth rates.

https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/nebraska.htm#eag

Nebraska though is not doing nearly as well because the legislature constantly puts the schools before business.

Nebraska socialists love taxing business and confiscating their profits and giving it to school boards with ultra-liberal socialist agendas.

The legislature and liberal school boards always put themselves ahead of new jobs.

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