Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Wedding Cake Case (legal, radical, death)
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...In 2010, a chapter of the Christian Legal Society — a faith-based student organization for aspiring lawyers — sued University of California’s Hastings College. The university had revoked its status as a recognized group over the society’s requirement that members sign a “statement of beliefs,” which included the idea that marriage between same-sex couples is “sinful and incompatible with their religious views,” as Pizer explained. The Christian Legal Society pursued its case all the way to the Supreme Court: In Christian Legal Society v. Martinez, the high court ruled 5 to 4 that schools have the right to set nondiscrimination policies that advocate for fair treatment of all students. ...
In 2017:
The Charlie Brown law, Senate Bill 17, is signed in Kentucky leading to State boycotts, etc.
Can't help but wonder what Jesus would say about this sorry situation.
From what I've read, he didn't seem the judgmental type nor did he encourage others to do so.
Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek (from the Aramaic= 'teachable'): for they shall inherit the earth."
Compatible with:
Quote:
I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?
~Albert Einstein from The Expanded Quotable Einstein Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 208
Dear Lord, make me more teachable. Patiently waiting.
Perhaps this case will shed some well needed light. Patiently hoping.
If SCOTUS sides with Christians- listen to the liberals scream. The ONLY reason this is an issue is that gays deliberately go to Christian businesses in order to stir up trouble. There are plenty of businesses that will make their cake, but they'd rather cause trouble. Most probably never follow thru with the marraige!
Not being a protected class under federal law did not prevent same-sex couples from having
Had the right to marry and before that the DOMA was overturned, so we can
Expect any decision of the supreme court.
This "nice" man the baker refuses to service the customers wishes based upon his own viewpoints.
However held, however suggested and however articulated this kindly baker who makes cakes is wrong. If youre in the public domain you must not discriminate. That is the law.
Let me tell you how I see it though. This "nice" man is not nice. He is deeply mean, angry and full of hatred. He does not like gay people, never did and does not want his territory of marriage claimed by any other people. He will defend it with hundreds of thousands of dollars to the SCOTUS. He will look customers in the eye and defend his position to the death. He is neither "nice" nor "lawful" nor "a citizen". He is a viciously angry junkyard dog who hates gay people and he's willing to bet that his despicable conduct will win the day. Oh, he justifies this with "god" and a "book" which "created" a fixed false belief into a set of rules which ensconces hatred bigotry and childishness which millions cite as "god's word".
That's who he actually is behind the counter of his lily white cupcakes.
Wow. You do realize that the belief held by this baker is shared by tens of millions of people in the US? Are they all "mean, angry, and full of hatred....viciously angry junkyard dogs"? Your disrespect toward religious people, calling them childish, and using quotes to diminish their holy book, makes you what?
Look, I don't hold the baker's views, I'm not religious at all, and as much as I disagree with the beliefs of Christianity and Islam, I firmly believe in the right of people to hold those beliefs, and in their freedom to live and act in accordance with their beliefs as much as possible.
This comes down to freedom. Sometimes one person's freedoms clash with another. Laws that lead to the LEAST amount of infringement on freedom is what I want. The gays were free to get married (something that people my age NEVER imagined would happen, so that's huge right there), and they were free to easily get a cake from someone who could truly be happy for them and their celebration. What freedom did they lose by the baker saying no? All they lost was the impossible goal of FORCING the baker's acceptance of SSM, something tens of millions of people will never accept because their religion teaches that marriage is between a man and a woman.
It's clear you believe that religious people, even of mainstream, majority religion, should not have the freedom to live in accordance with their religious convictions. That is disturbing to me. And don't say they can follow their religious principles at home but not in their own business. A religious person doesn't drop his morals off at the doorstep of his business. He has to make a living somehow, and he should be free to own his own business and run it in accordance with his own convictions, as much as reasonably possible.
Frankly, I'm disappointed in the gay couple for being so closed-minded toward the baker.
Many Church officials do the same in regards to declining to perform same sex weddings, and it's Constitutionally acceptable.
No kidding! Because when you go to a church, there is the expectation you will encounter the ways of that church, much of which is discriminatory by definition.
A Muslim, for example, obviously cannot expect to have his/her religion represented or practiced at a Mormon church like Mormons can. You can't even be married in the Mormon church unless you are Mormon, regardless your sexual persuasion! (Though don't even think about it if you're gay). Check out the rules of marriage down to who can even attend a Mormon wedding, according to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...
The practice of religion is obviously another freedom protected by our constitution, and of course we all expect churches to do their discriminatory thing in this regard. So too private clubs can discriminate in similar fashion.
So as not to complicate these sorts of legal issues any further, it is probably best to stay focused on what is considered a "place of public accommodation," because these are the places where the anti-discrimination statutes apply most directly.
A bakery, for example, is considered a place of public accommodation. Churches are not.
It's a bad law. Just because it's the law doesn't make it just.
This is the thought police.
Now we're talking...
Reminds me of the "Loving case." Y'all seen the movie yet?
The story of Richard and Mildred Loving, a couple whose arrest for interracial marriage in 1960s Virginia began a legal battle that would end with the Supreme Court's historic 1967 decision.
If the "thought police" are charged with promoting more thought, here's to the thought police!
Incorrect. He has served the same sex couple numerous times in his bakery. He'll make them anything they want other than a wedding cake because his Religion, Baptist, prohibits same sex marriage.
It's uncorroborated hatred spewed by people like you that is causing such strife in our society. Stop your hatred-based discrimination.
Sorry. People have different "parts". This is one of his supported by "religious god". Makes it no better in my mind. His animosity surfaces for a wedding? Who can justify this? Guess they are not his loving customers now I would think.
Wow. You do realize that the belief held by this baker is shared by tens of millions of people in the US? Are they all "mean, angry, and full of hatred....viciously angry junkyard dogs"? Your disrespect toward religious people, calling them childish, and using quotes to diminish their holy book, makes you what?
Look, I don't hold the baker's views, I'm not religious at all, and as much as I disagree with the beliefs of Christianity and Islam, I firmly believe in the right of people to hold those beliefs, and in their freedom to live and act in accordance with their beliefs as much as possible.
This comes down to freedom. Sometimes one person's freedoms clash with another. Laws that lead to the LEAST amount of infringement on freedom is what I want. The gays were free to get married (something that people my age NEVER imagined would happen, so that's huge right there), and they were free to easily get a cake from someone who could truly be happy for them and their celebration. What freedom did they lose by the baker saying no? All they lost was the impossible goal of FORCING the baker's acceptance of SSM, something tens of millions of people will never accept because their religion teaches that marriage is between a man and a woman.
It's clear you believe that religious people, even of mainstream, majority religion, should not have the freedom to live in accordance with their religious convictions. That is disturbing to me. And don't say they can follow their religious principles at home but not in their own business. A religious person doesn't drop his morals off at the doorstep of his business. He has to make a living somehow, and he should be free to own his own business and run it in accordance with his own convictions, as much as reasonably possible.
Frankly, I'm disappointed in the gay couple for being so closed-minded toward the baker.
You never imagined it because your mind was controlled and what you could have thought was not allowed. It was against the law and suppressed by a "just god fearing society".
Their holy book is neither. It's a collection of rumination about what people thought and felt. Just because people agree upon it does not make it holy.
The customers could have respected his right to defer. They did not. But that insistence on their viewpoint being the law of the land, while preachy, is just giving it back to the bible thumpers who for decades supported the limitation of the gay couples rights.
This is an easy one. Feelings yes, Beliefs yes, But in either case and true it will ever be that these people have a part of their personality which is programmed hate and marinated in thousands of years of prejudice.
Sorry. It is true despite what you think.
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