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A candidate like Trump would never get past the first few debates if they were running as a Democrat. It's a higher standard across the board. Now, I am not saying that every leader on the left is perfect, because that is by no means true, but we don't support demagogues as a matter of principle. And we sure as hell wouldn't be saying it was okay if Hillary was colluding with Russia.
Goodness, you folks on the left have gone beyond bitter. No impeachment, no collusion, the Russian fairy tale is dead...what have you got now besides accusing us Trump supporters of being stupid?
Partly true.
I know the bar is not as high as perhaps once upon a time, but I'm not sure what great accomplishment it is that there has not yet been an impeachment...
Also true that not all evidence points to any clear cut wrong doing, but to think what evidence there has been is not enough to justify investigation is to be somewhat ignorant of what our system of checks and balances is all about.
In any case, there are a good deal many other more significant political matters that explain why so many people are against what Trump is doing (or trying to do) as POTUS, but if it all boils down as you suggest in your comment above, I doubt helping you see a little more of the bigger picture will work.
Calling Trump supporters stupid is no more or less intelligent or mature than all the other nonsense we read in these threads, and paying any attention to the likes is probably not altogether too smart either. Not productive in any case. We can all do better than that, anyone can.
You've got way too many "can't accepts" in there for someone suffering from such pathological denial themselves.
As long as people like you continue to delude themselves about A.) How Trump voters felt about Obama and B.) Why they actually voted for Trump then your party is doomed to a perpetual cycle of misjudging your opponent and failing. Hell I probably shouldn't even try to enlighten you because you are right there mired in cluelessness where I want you. But ... I know you'll never indulge in any honest self analysis or introspection and see your weaknesses so I'll let you have it after all.
Fact # 1 that you need to face is that it was the non-Obama hating moderates who wearied of your progressive $h1t that got you president Trump. It's on you. Stop blaming others and accept that half of America didn't just turn skinhead overnight. Your Democratic party left us, not the other way around. Your bizarre embrace of a screeching socialist anti-American SJW ideology turned us SO far off of what used to be the party of the patriotic middle class working man that we had nowhere to go but Trump. Congratulations on your fail. This is from someone who was formerly a lifelong Republican but voted for Obama twice after the banking fiasco. Obama was objectively a failure and I was greatly disappointed. There's no "FAIL TO ACCEPT" there only objective disappointment at an empty suit emitting beautiful symbolic oratory. I wanted him to succeed. Most people did too but that's beside the point. The Trump victory wasn't all about Obama or Hillary. Until you quit failing to accept that truth you will continue to lose as you so richly deserve. It was about YOU and by that I mean the repugnant leftist label-happy condescending elitists who alienated the people who actually make America's wheels go around.
I enjoyed saying that and I look forward to enjoying you not getting it.
"progressive $h1t?" You might be suffering from a bit of "misjudging" yourself, but I suspect you're not able to make a dent in anyone's perspective or opinion than I am yours...
Nevertheless, I would like to add that you might be surprised how many progressives and liberals actually "get it" more than you allow yourself to think!
1. any democrat would have likely won....why because the people want the republicans out....politics go in cycles
2. I wanted to see in 08... Dr. Condy Rice run against Sen. Hillary Clinton.....guaranteed the first female potus, and the chance for the first African American.
3. Obama was successful...at dividing this country
4. the recession ended in july 09...without one policy from Obama
5. do I want his fascist legacy gone...yes...why because liberalism (progressivism/Marxism/fascism/socialism) is anti-American constitution
Well maybe one out of five is better than average for some people, but I'm pretty sure any teacher would have to give you an F anyway. Obviously you're not doing your homework...
Most partisans on both sides base their assumptions on either single issues of what they think the other side supports. They also tend to group the other side into monolithic blocs.
Regarding immigration that has been a major issue since the early 2000s, this issue is also linked to the economy and trade policy as well as national security fears after 9/11.
Abortion is a major issue because many of those who lean social conservative but may otherwise support liberal policies economically or toward racial issues but are repulsed by abortion. They see it as a moral issue and a killing of innocent lives. Also there is a major potential vulnerability for the dems because the GOP may court like-minded people among minorities on the subject of abortion and potential anti-abortion measures.
Democrats would never support a blanket ban of all muslims like certain segments of the GOP does, but large number of democrats would support a large-scale screening for potential islamists that could enter the United States.
So that in my opinion are major potential issues and realigning issues apart from the economy and trade that i mentioned in earlier posts. Partisans both on the far-left and far-right and especially Trumper partisans are delusional if they think elections would be decided on black issues and gay issues. These are sideshow issues, the main centrifugal forces driving society are not based on gay or black issues; but on the economy, foreign policy, trade policy, national security (Muslim policy because of the terrorist threat can go here), and immigration.
Not delusional!
I have a good friend, conservative Republican, who recently told me he can't vote Democrat, because he simply does not agree with the "anything goes" position that Democrats have toward gays. He's a religious man, and this is a very important singular issue for him. All that serves to remind me that it is really not so "delusional" to think elections can and are decided accordingly, much to my dismay...
So you were born in what 2012? Or were too young to understand what was going on before Obama. Cause you sure weren't in the US in 2007, or you were too young to read or even watch the news.
The country and economy was pretty much destroyed when Obama took over. If you were not here, maybe you could read about it -- check it out 'the Great Recession'. Massive layoffs, housing market crash, banking collapse, auto industry going under. Yeah, sure -- Obama destroyed the country.
And you think nobody likes Obama? So his polls are at about 60% and Trump's are 36%. You understand math, right? That is a lot less. George Bush's polls are soaring--Trump's complete idiocy has made Bush popular. Trump has made Merkel popular.
When people see that Trump is a total disaster, they start appreciating leaders with a brain a little more. Maybe once you Trump lemmings watch him throw not just our allies under the bus, but our entire country--you'll get it. The man is an imbecile and thinks he can get away with lying throughout the presidency because of his 35% loyal cult followers. The rest of the country sees his idiocy for what it is.
LOL. thought this was some sort of troll post. I guess your serious...Anyways..
Nobody likes Obama because he was weak. He made the United States look like a girl on the world stage. He beat us over to IRAN and other foreign countries. He climbed the national debt to the highest it has ever been. More people on welfare than ever. Pulled out of IRAQ and destroyed it for a 2nd time. Started the refugee crisis and destroyed europe with his friend Hillary. Started a civl war in Syria which costed over 600k lives. Then proceeded to tell the American public that we need to take refugees in from a war he started. When in reality. We need to take care of our own veterans first. He decided to open and flood our borders with illegals. He sent Iran billions of cash for a stupid deal. Then proceeded to turn the public against the police and incite violence. He made a stupid deal with Australia and decided to have us take 1000+muslim refugees that Australia does not even want ( they literally keep these people on some island because they don't want them ) . He also destroyed our healthcare system.
This list goes on .... Obama is nothing but a soft spoken, crappy president. Trump is just trying to bring America back to where it was , before Obozo destroyed it.
Maybe once you Obozo followers get that point that Americans are sick of taking care of the entire world while sacrificing out own country then you will start to win elections again.
People cannot accept the fact that Obama was so successful or that he was actually even President at all. They cannot accept that the first African-American President, who happens to have cultural ties to Kenya and who's name is Barack Hussein Obama, achieved things that his predecessors could not and brought the economy out of the Great Recession. They wanted Obama to fail from the beginning. Throughout his entire Presidency, people were fishing for ways to make him out to be an illegitimate President, the most well known of which is the accusation that he wasn't born in the USA. People love Donald Trump because his top priority is to completely undo Obama's legacy in its entirety. Most people seem to want ALL of Obama's legacy gone, both the good and the not so good, because they can't face that so much was accomplished by our first African-American President.
They can't accept that Obama's Presidency represented the change of the guard in this country to a more tolerant, equal, diverse, and just America. They are doing everything they can to turn back the clock, even if it means damaging the country to do it.
Boy, I could sure accept BO and was with him from Day 1. Love diversity and this man is so diverse and bright in many many ways. Humble as well.
DT, it's all about ME, ME ME ME... Whatever speech writers he has do their best to get across messages to the 99%. But doesn't work for me and my brain.
I have a good friend, conservative Republican, who recently told me he can't vote Democrat, because he simply does not agree with the "anything goes" position that Democrats have toward gays. He's a religious man, and this is a very important singular issue for him. All that serves to remind me that it is really not so "delusional" to think elections can and are decided accordingly, much to my dismay...
This is a large part of the GOP base. The gay rights progress under Obama sent much of red state America into a panic, which was another factor in Trump's win and also is a factor in why Democrats continue to lose despite Trump's supposed low approval rating (though I think Trump is much more popular than the polls indicate).
A lot of people have a sincere religious belief that when a nation tolerates homosexuality, divine judgment is on its way soon after. From their perspective, opposing gay rights, while to most people looks like bigotry and homophobia, is actually them trying to save all Americans from death by fire and brimstone and that hands of an angry God. There is a popular saying among fundamentalist Baptists that goes like this. "If God doesn't wipe America off the face of the planet, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah."
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