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Old 07-01-2017, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

I like Universal Health Care. That’s where anyone can treat anyone (with their permission).
• There’s no criminalization of unlicensed care givers, nor “controlled substances” that need permission slips (prescriptions). Anyone can purchase medical equipment, medicines, etc.
• No license to commit manslaughter.
• Free market. No public charity. Only private charity health care.
• No impediment to education and training. Credentials by examination.
• The only function of government is to operate a public access credential data bank, with testimonials / complaints by verified customers.
• No malpractice lawsuits.
• Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back - and that’s all.
Ironically, before the socialist nanny state, people survived without health insurance enriching stockholders at the patient’s expense. Nor did they go broke from exorbitant medical bills. Most hospitals were operated by charities and religious orders, whose unpaid staff offered low to no cost care in wards, while offering upscale care to those who could pay (private rooms, etc).
I like the government out of healthcare completely. They have no business being involved.

Let people get their treatments or exams on their own dime at a place of their own choosing.

End.

There's no need to call it anything. We don't call shopping for a car universal anything.

This should be no different than when people want to get elective surgery that is not covered by any insurance. Because there are no insurance companies to boost the prices out of this world, competition is up, people can choose who they want to see, reviews, ratings, and word of mouth are what people use as well as letting the doctor sell themselves to the potential patient, the prices PLUMMETED, the procedures are better, faster, and easier on people....The free market has been working.

We don't call that anything. There is no need to label it.

Get the insurance companies out. Get the government out. Let the left scream about it until they realize that it actually works. Then they'll shut up about it and eventually, they will rewrite history and take credit for it. Whatever, just let the free market work.
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Old 07-01-2017, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Let it fail completely. If you repeal it, the left will pretend that it was the Republican's fault that it didn't work.

Let the left see their own destruction.
The public will blame the Republicans though. In the end that's the only thing that truly matters. No pretending from the left necessary. 😁
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Old 07-01-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I like the government out of healthcare completely. They have no business being involved.

Let people get their treatments or exams on their own dime at a place of their own choosing.

End.

There's no need to call it anything. We don't call shopping for a car universal anything.

This should be no different than when people want to get elective surgery that is not covered by any insurance. Because there are no insurance companies to boost the prices out of this world, competition is up, people can choose who they want to see, reviews, ratings, and word of mouth are what people use as well as letting the doctor sell themselves to the potential patient, the prices PLUMMETED, the procedures are better, faster, and easier on people....The free market has been working.

We don't call that anything. There is no need to label it.

Get the insurance companies out. Get the government out. Let the left scream about it until they realize that it actually works. Then they'll shut up about it and eventually, they will rewrite history and take credit for it. Whatever, just let the free market work.
The majority of people don't want this though so it's not going to happen.
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Old 07-02-2017, 12:12 PM
 
Location: CT
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Perhaps you missed earlier posts where it was shown that before GLORIOUS SOCIALISM and INSURANCE, the cost for health care was astronomically CHEAPER. ($4/day for hospital room versus $2,000/day)
Government subsidy is not the solution to exorbitant costs caused by government meddling, inflation, taxation, bureaucracy, and socialism.

Consider what would happen if government deregulated the trade in health care and medicine?
Can you say "FREE MARKET"?
So when was a hospital room $4? I noted in one of your other posts that it was around 1930, the height of the depression. Don't you think that's disingenuous? There are a plethora of reasons why hospital stays are what they are today, overpriced for sure, but the culprit isn't solely on government. Sure, medical was cheaper in the early 20th century, but lifespan was only about 60 yrs. old, doctors didn't carry $20k of malpractice insurance, nurses didn't need 6 yrs of medical school, cancer was certain death, technology was limited. Most hospitals were run as charities through religious organizations, who ruled and regulated through the dogma of their brand of religion. You say, let there be a free market, OK, why hasn't that been an option by either party? The health care industry lobbyists aren't there to get rid of regulation and government intervention, so are they influencing government to regulate in their best interest? So, is our health care costs higher than the rest of the world because the government regulates, or that the lobbyists are paying for that regulation? Maybe they don't want a free market.
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Old 07-02-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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No matter what is going on it's all about killing.


Why NOT stop the escalating defense budgets and special forces in 137 countries?


Why NOT help our Americans by NOT repealing anything NOW.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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Let it fail completely. If you repeal it, the left will pretend that it was the Republican's fault that it didn't work.

Let the left see their own destruction.
If the Republicans had just left the ACA alone, or even simply quietly tried to hasten its demise by defunding it, without any associate hype, you may have been right. The country might have blamed the Democrats.

But this last half a year has been dominated by very public GOP posturing in both the House and the Senate about how they're going to "fix" healthcare, so the public's perception of who now owns the issue has shifted to the Republicans.

Blame Trump for a lot of that. He was flapping his great big mouth about how great the House bill was, made a big show of going to the Hill to strong-arm Republicans into supporting it, and then held his little victory kegger in the Rose Garden. How on earth do you figure Americans are going to blame Democrats for what happens to healthcare after all that?

You're living in a dream world.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Why not just repeal?

Because once you put people on government benefits, including government employees, a program rarely goes away. People expect it, see it as a "right," gnash their teeth and wail at the thought of losing something that was never theirs to begin with.

Even when it should, like in this case.
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Old 07-02-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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The GOP has been doing everything in their power to destroy any Democratic health care system since it will keep them out of power.

See: https://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/...alth-care-bill
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Old 07-02-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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I like the government out of healthcare completely. They have no business being involved.

Let people get their treatments or exams on their own dime at a place of their own choosing.

End.

There's no need to call it anything. We don't call shopping for a car universal anything.

This should be no different than when people want to get elective surgery that is not covered by any insurance. Because there are no insurance companies to boost the prices out of this world, competition is up, people can choose who they want to see, reviews, ratings, and word of mouth are what people use as well as letting the doctor sell themselves to the potential patient, the prices PLUMMETED, the procedures are better, faster, and easier on people....The free market has been working.

We don't call that anything. There is no need to label it.

Get the insurance companies out. Get the government out. Let the left scream about it until they realize that it actually works. Then they'll shut up about it and eventually, they will rewrite history and take credit for it. Whatever, just let the free market work.
Can we finally let companies in places like India make and sell drugs in US for 1/20th the cost charged by big pharmacy?
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Old 07-02-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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I like the government out of healthcare completely. They have no business being involved.

Let people get their treatments or exams on their own dime at a place of their own choosing.

End.

There's no need to call it anything. We don't call shopping for a car universal anything.

This should be no different than when people want to get elective surgery that is not covered by any insurance. Because there are no insurance companies to boost the prices out of this world, competition is up, people can choose who they want to see, reviews, ratings, and word of mouth are what people use as well as letting the doctor sell themselves to the potential patient, the prices PLUMMETED, the procedures are better, faster, and easier on people....The free market has been working.

We don't call that anything. There is no need to label it.

Get the insurance companies out. Get the government out. Let the left scream about it until they realize that it actually works. Then they'll shut up about it and eventually, they will rewrite history and take credit for it. Whatever, just let the free market work.

You must have a lot of money if you can pay for treatments and exams on your own dime. Wow. Wish we all could do that.
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