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Old 06-30-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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Article says USA was already on path to being net exporter before Trump took office.

The US is not going to ship coal to Ukraine that is crazy. Maybe LNG to Europe since the Syria war prevents gas pipelines from Qatar and Iran.

How confident this ME war if it allows US to supply Europe.
Doesn't the USA rely on Canada for oil? Furthermore, Canada is looking at bypassing USA markets to deal directly with EU and China. Bypassing the USA is becoming a global objective with Trump in office.
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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Doesn't the USA rely on Canada for oil? Furthermore, Canada is looking at bypassing USA markets to deal directly with EU and China. Bypassing the USA is becoming a global objective with Trump in office.
Well to be fair Trump's not responsible for that. Canada got a boot to the testicles with Obama denying Keystone XL so of course any sane country would explore other alternatives.

The price of oil at this time makes progressing with Keystone XL difficult because before when oil was over $70 a barrel those gulf refineries modified specifically to process that crude wanted all they could get with cheaper transport costs of a pipeline in the equation. NOW, they're willing to carry on paying the rail freight costs because oil is so cheap.

Interesting with all the current ballyhoo over NAFTA that no one mentions Canada is currently obligated via NAFTA agreement to give the U.S. first dibs on all the crude it wants at PREFERENTIAL pricing. So unfair of Canada, eh?

Of course now that Trump has demanded a re-neg. of NAFTA claiming all that "unfairness" of Canada towards the U.S.; guess what the first current thing to go the way of the dodo will be by citizens of Canada demand......you guessed correctly.

There will very likely be no more priority given to the U.S. for crude from Canada, especially at lower prices than Canada can sell it to China or others. Thrice bitten, only a fool would turn the other cheek.

This is giving new impetus towards east west pipelines in Canada with the majority realizing that having all your eggs in the U.S. basket perhaps wasn't the smartest thing to have done regarding fossil fuels.

How it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Canada
"At 18.3 billion cubic feet (520,000,000 m3) per day in 2011, Canada was the fourth-largest producer of natural gas in the world. Its proven reserves were 58.2 trillion cubic feet (1,650 km3) at the close of 2006."

Lastly:
Canada ranks 5th in the world for coal reserves | MINING.com
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Trump Wants Energy Dominance in Global Market
Given the recent climate change discussion, what can we expect here?
You can expect more BS from the king of BS'ers.
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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That's interesting! The USA is increasingly dependent on Canada for electricity. I wonder how much of that is related to hydro energy.

We take lots of Manitoba Hydro into Minnesota...Why you may ask???? In order to bolster grid regulation due to excessive amounts of non controllable intermittent renewable resources Minnesota is hanging on the grid...

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=21992
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:31 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Good!
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:32 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Actually China (145,362 megawatts) produces twice as much power from wind than the USA (74,471 megawatts)

China also has the most electric vehicles, and builds the most.... The 5 Countries Dominating Electric Vehicle Sales

China is also first in solar power production with 78,100 MW. The USA is a distant 4th with 40,300 MW. https://www.google.ca/search?q=solar...O6iCjwSjn6_4DQ



It pays to check your facts before posting.
Yes ...why don't you check yours?
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:32 PM
 
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Well to be fair Trump's not responsible for that. Canada got a boot to the testicles with Obama denying Keystone XL so of course any sane country would explore other alternatives.

The price of oil at this time makes progressing with Keystone XL difficult because before when oil was over $70 a barrel those gulf refineries modified specifically to process that crude wanted all they could get with cheaper transport costs of a pipeline in the equation. NOW, they're willing to carry on paying the rail freight costs because oil is so cheap.

Interesting with all the current ballyhoo over NAFTA that no one mentions Canada is currently obligated via NAFTA agreement to give the U.S. first dibs on all the crude it wants at PREFERENTIAL pricing. So unfair of Canada, eh?

Of course now that Trump has demanded a re-neg. of NAFTA claiming all that "unfairness" of Canada towards the U.S.; guess what the first current thing to go the way of the dodo will be by citizens of Canada demand......you guessed correctly.

There will very likely be no more priority given to the U.S. for crude from Canada, especially at lower prices than Canada can sell it to China or others. Thrice bitten, only a fool would turn the other cheek.

This is giving new impetus towards east west pipelines in Canada with the majority realizing that having all your eggs in the U.S. basket perhaps wasn't the smartest thing to have done regarding fossil fuels.

How it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Canada
"At 18.3 billion cubic feet (520,000,000 m3) per day in 2011, Canada was the fourth-largest producer of natural gas in the world. Its proven reserves were 58.2 trillion cubic feet (1,650 km3) at the close of 2006."

Lastly:
Canada ranks 5th in the world for coal reserves | MINING.com
Quite true. Obama started the process of Canada looking to other markets, and Trump is making it easier for Canada to continue on that path. Global dominance in the energy sector may be what Trump wants, but he doesn't seem to have any understanding of how to construct a plan with that result. His nationalistic goals seem to conflict with his grandiose aspirations.
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:36 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Trump Wants Energy Dominance in Global Market
Given the recent climate change discussion, what can we expect here?
"Solar Employs More People In U.S. Electricity Generation Than Oil, Coal And Gas Combined."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc.../#56d4853e2800

And "Renewable Energy Is Creating Jobs 12 Times Faster Than the Rest of the Economy."
Renewable Energy Industry Creates Jobs 12 Times Faster Than Rest of US | Fortune.com

Whether its because the world is running out of oil, our remaining oil being hard and dirty to harvest, a growing world population, global warming, or alternative energy being better for the environment, alternative energy is the energy source of the future.

How can America have energy dominance in the global market when we ignore the fastest growing energy sources and the energy sources of the future?
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:42 PM
 
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It's called pumped hydroelectric storage

At day and high winds water pumps up hill and at night and low wind becomes hydroelectric plant. ..

Very efficiency and cheap way to store power.
You are introducing inefficiencies and a lot more cost.

Here is the threshold. It's 0 degrees out in the Northeast, cloudy and no wind. Utilities are hitting record demand at 8AM and it's going to be like that for next two weeks. How many windmills, solar panels and what amount of storage capacity do you need to meet that demand ?
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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"Solar Employs More People In U.S. Electricity Generation Than Oil, Coal And Gas Combined."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc.../#56d4853e2800

And "Renewable Energy Is Creating Jobs 12 Times Faster Than the Rest of the Economy."
Renewable Energy Industry Creates Jobs 12 Times Faster Than Rest of US | Fortune.com

Whether its because the world is running out of oil, our remaining oil being hard and dirty to harvest, a growing world population, global warming, or alternative energy being better for the environment, alternative energy is the energy source of the future.

How can America have energy dominance in the global market when we ignore the fastest growing energy sources and the energy sources of the future?
It seems like a contradiction to want to be an energy leader while at the same time rejecting everything that is done to address global warming. Solar, wind, and hydro power are clean options that can result in global leadership in the energy sector, but I'm under the impression that Trump is thinking coal and fossil fuels. As the rest of the world transitions to reliance (as much as possible) on alternate energy sources, the USA will be left in the dark ages with a commodity that is not in demand.
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