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Old 07-01-2017, 01:40 PM
 
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Too bad Clinton didn't read NAFTA well enough to realize it was going to be a job killer, not supporter when it got passed.

And more republicans voted for Nafta than democrats. Too bad about that.
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Old 07-01-2017, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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" he can't sell any legislation."

It looks like you LOST your "knowledge key"

" Can any of his supporters name one landmark legislation their president has got passed?"

It took Obama 19 months to get his 1st "landmark" legislation passed , O Care" passed.

Trump has only been in office for 5 months.

As the punch line said, "Patience jackass, patience?

Uh, you conveniently forgot about a couple of other things that Obama improved, such as an economy that he inherited that was in the toilet. I suppose you think that recovery happened all by itself, huh ?

And that is just one of the things that Obama worked on and successfully fixed.

http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazin...nts-revisited/
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Old 07-02-2017, 06:04 AM
 
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Uh, you conveniently forgot about a couple of other things that Obama improved, such as an economy that he inherited that was in the toilet. I suppose you think that recovery happened all by itself, huh ?

And that is just one of the things that Obama worked on and successfully fixed.

Washington Monthly | Obama
"Uh, you conveniently forgot about a couple of other things that Obama improved, such as an economy"

"Uh, you conveniently forgot. that Obam promised that if HE couldn't fix things in his 1st term that he would not deserve a 2nd term, yet the economy did NOT fix things and he ran anyway.

And YES , I DO believe the the economy improved IN SPITE of Obama and the dem controlled Congress.

How many budgets did reid and the dem controlled Senate pass? "A budget, we DON'T NEED a budget"

"I guess I was wrong on how many shovel ready jobs there really were Ha-ha. Yet he spent the money anyway.

We had the slowest recovery in modern history.

Keep in mind, the recession official ended BEFORE Obama took office.
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Old 07-02-2017, 06:09 AM
 
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"Uh, you conveniently forgot about a couple of other things that Obama improved, such as an economy"

"Uh, you conveniently forgot. that Obam promised that if HE couldn't fix things in his 1st term that he would not deserve a 2nd term, yet the economy did NOT fix things and he ran anyway.

And YES , I DO believe the the economy improved IN SPITE of Obama and the dem controlled Congress.

How many budgets did reid and the dem controlled Senate pass? "A budget, we DON'T NEED a budget"

"I guess I was wrong on how many shovel ready jobs there really were Ha-ha. Yet he spent the money anyway.

We had the slowest recovery in modern history.

Keep in mind, the recession official ended BEFORE Obama took office.
Umm, no it didn't.
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Old 07-02-2017, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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My goodness. For a guy who makes himself out to be a salesman, he can't sell any legislation.
No action on his 10-point legislative promises. If he cannot get that legislation passed, he'll be out in four years. His 10-point agenda is what pulled a lot of Independents to cast their vote for him. He'll lose their support.

52% of Independents voted for Trump, while only 36% voted for Clinton. The remaining 12% voted for the idiot Johnson or other 3rd Party Candidates.

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He is the US President, regardless of what you or I may think.
Well, unless he starts making good on his promises, he won't win the 2020 Election.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Too bad Clinton didn't read NAFTA well enough to realize it was going to be a job killer, not supporter when it got passed.

House Passes NAFTA, 234-200 : Clinton Hails Vote as Decision 'Not to Retreat' : Congress: Sometimes bitter debate over the trade pact reflects hard-fought battle among divided Democrats. Rapid approval is expected in the Senate. - latimes

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WASHINGTON — A painfully divided House of Representatives approved the North American Free Trade Agreement by an unexpectedly large margin Wednesday night, ending a hard-fought battle that grew into a referendum on the fundamental changes sweeping the American economy.

The vote was 234 to 200, 16 more than the 218 needed for passage. The Senate is expected to act on the measure within days. Passage there is not in doubt.

In a brief appearance in the White House grand foyer less than an hour after the vote, a beaming President Clinton savored the come-from-behind victory and declared: "Tonight's vote is a defining moment. At a time when many of our people are hurting . . . we chose to compete and not to retreat."

The strongest support in the House came from Republicans, who cast 132 votes for the trade plan and 43 against it. Among Democrats, 102 voted for the agreement and 156 opposed it. The one independent in Congress voted against the plan.
Guess you better speak to the GOP that outvoted for it way back then, eh? Sure Clinton loved it.. He was happy to at least set up some sort of "Ground Rules" while dealing globally in the "Trade Market" .. But be reminded that this all happened almost quarter Century ago Lobbyists have since then bought off lawmakers to maintain this as they continually moved their Corporate headquarters offshore to avoid much of the rules and taxes!!
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Old 07-02-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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But that big hemorhoid is clearly on the Republican cheek!
Not really. It's on both the Republican and Democrat party leaders. Just look at Congress and the way all members cover their behinds making deals all day and night to hold on to power. Just a very few members are thinking about the nation's future, but they are powerless without seniority. I look at both sides from an independent perspective (am not a Republican nor a Democrat) and don't see a difference.

The only way to drain the swamp is to pass a term limit law, but who is going do that? The senior members and leaders from both parties aren't going to loosen their grip on power anytime soon.
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That said, all President Trump can and has been doing is to sign executive orders to dismantle President Obama's executive orders.

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Old 07-02-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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No action on his 10-point legislative promises. If he cannot get that legislation passed, he'll be out in four years. His 10-point agenda is what pulled a lot of Independents to cast their vote for him. He'll lose their support.

52% of Independents voted for Trump, while only 36% voted for Clinton. The remaining 12% voted for the idiot Johnson or other 3rd Party Candidates.



Well, unless he starts making good on his promises, he won't win the 2020 Election.
Just keep in mind that no president can do anything alone. The President needs Congress to draft and present the bills for he or she to sign before these become laws. As it is now the Republicans and Democrats aren't working together on anything. The Democrats passed Obamacare alone, and both sides know that something must be done before the big pile of poop hits the fan, but none wants to touch it.

It does not matter who wins the 2020 election. For a nation to exist it has to control its borders, keep the size of government to a low or manageable size, have term limits in Congress, lower federal taxes (including corporate), and allow for the private sector to prosper. In recent years, no US president has accomplished any of those things, specially curbing illegal immigration, something that every one of them has promised. If you don't believe it, search for and watch the former presidents' speeches about immigration, and compare that to what President Trump has said about illegal immigration.

We can argue about politics day in and day out, but the only way to understand the mess we have gotten our great nation into is by being impartial. As long as one becomes a cheerleader for one side or the other one does not realize that political dealings are like a smoke and mirrors show. The news media, and education, are two of several mediums used to maintain the masses in a state of confusion.

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Old 07-02-2017, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Its easy-Congress is only concerned about their re-election, not helping America.
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Old 07-02-2017, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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"He can't sell any legislation because he doesn't understand it."

As of YOU would.

I'm glad to see you admit he at least reads it BEFORE it is passed.it.

Not like the dems, "We have to pass it it to FIND OUT WHAT IS IN IT"

I'd be pelosi and most of the dems STILL haven't read the entire bill with all of its amendments and deals obama made after it was passed., like exemptions, etc.
Trump actually doesn't. If you recall, this is the same clown who passed off all the healthcare devising to Congress, saying, "I never thought healthcare could be so complicated!"
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