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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon on the issue. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like to seek hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery. The estimated annual price tag: $2.4 million to $8.4 million, per year.

Treatment is estimated to cost as much as $50,000 per soldier. Treatment generally moves from counseling to hormone therapy, and in relatively rare cases, gender reassignment surgery. A military doctor must deem the treatment medically necessary.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...gery/90331678/

Case by case would be nice, but still, why bother making things so complicated?!
In other words, an entire year of care for thousands of troops costs less taxpayer money than 1 of Trump's golf outings at Mar-a-lago.

Yeah, I'd rather put that money towards transgenders than paying for Trump's obsessive golf outings. Trump can go screw himself.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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In some areas being denied because you are too old or too fat is discrimination but when it comes to transgendered people in the military we are talking about a very small fraction of a percentage.

Women are just as smart as men so I think they can do amazing things in the military but I don't think they should be on the front lines fighting toe to toe and door to door.
The same goes for transgendered people. Most people join the military in their late teens, early twenties and this is a time when these young people are trying to figure themselves out and for some military service is an awakening and for others a Rude one. Toss in the confusion of a young person into a volatile mix and it is a recipe for a distracting problem.

Why should the military make special concessions to somehow fit in a transgendered person say a man that wants to be treated as a woman.

I don't think Trump should have banned them but let the military decide themselves on a case by case basis.
He had to rule, he has the authority....ambiguity is why things have gotten so off track.
Now people who are deciding their sex gender are free to do it, as they already are.....just not in the military at the public's expense.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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I have no problem with this ban. The military (us) had to pay the bill to transform Manning. I can see the scenario where uncut transgenders join the military to get free surgeries and lifelong hormone therapy. They would spend most of their time in recovery and counseling and then quit or get medical discharges and be a burden for the rest of their lives.

I didn't even think about this part of it. And you are absolutely correct !
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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Being trans isn't a chronic illness.
If they require daily/regularly scheduled medication (hormones) THAT is a readiness problem. Frankly, I think there might be a valid argument for a mentally stable transgender with no medical intervention. It has happened, unbeknownst to their comrades, through the years. But if there is ANYTHING that makes a service member non-deplorable for more than a brief, temporary time period they need to be discharged.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump consulted with the generals and they agreed it was the best thing. Blame them
I think I'll blame Trump, who made the decision. It looks like he asked few generals who he knew would agree.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Are there any trans people on CD that can speak to this?
IDK.
If it is a matter of special needs I think the decision could be justified.
Then again women in the military and especially combat IMO require special considerations apart from men. So.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon on the issue. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like to seek hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery. The estimated annual price tag: $2.4 million to $8.4 million, per year.

Treatment is estimated to cost as much as $50,000 per soldier.
Treatment generally moves from counseling to hormone therapy, and in relatively rare cases, gender reassignment surgery. A military doctor must deem the treatment medically necessary.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...gery/90331678/

If there's no way to ensure the individual can continue their mission and/or survive in worst case "what if" scenarios that aren't far-fetched, there's no reason for them to remain in the military. There's nothing discriminatory about it either. Many people have been medically forced out for conditions that came up while already serving too - and for the same reason (medical readiness).

No need to make it political would be my thoughts.
You are right. It should have nothing to do with politics. It is a common sense fiscal and readiness decision only.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trump was overdue to throw another piece of red meat at his base.

It appears Trump's position results in the inability of transgender people to serve in the military in any capacity. What becomes of the thousands of transgender individuals in the military, right now, serving in a variety of capacities in the US and overseas. Will they be dishonorably discharged or terminated?

Announcing this via Twitter seems entirely innappropriate. Obvious the Pentagon was blind sighted.

Whole deal seems to be another deflection to take the public's eye off the many balls in the air, right now.

I do not understand transgenderism, tend to see both sides of the debate relative to the military. I do not fully appreciate the challenges of transgenderism or impact on the military and have no personal position.

Back in the 90's a key represent of of one of my clients, a NY bank, underwent all that led to an eventual gender reassignment and reportedly his employer's large group health insurance paid for it. It was interesting that when the dust settled, it became a non- issue within the greater business community who respected the individual's knowledge, influence and ability to effect positive change. In other words the individual's strengths overcame the issue of transgenderism / sex reassignment.

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Old 07-26-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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again. why are liberals now OK with involuntary servitude?
I agree. How times have changed. I remember when liberals were against war. Now they use the fact that someone hasn't been in the service as a slanderous remark......So much indecisiveness.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I agree. How times have changed. I remember when liberals were against war. Now they use the fact that someone hasn't been in the service as a slanderous remark......So much indecisiveness.
Virtue signaling. The people who are really "outraged" by it...aren't, and are just doing it because they dislike Trump.
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