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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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Military officials say they had no knowledge at all of this. Trump DID NOT consult with ANY top generals about this.


TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WEBSITE:

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“Transgender service members may serve openly. They may not be discharged or separated from the military solely on the basis of their gender identity.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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If they need a great deal of medical attention that makes them "not fully deployable," that would do it, just as it does for a host of other conditions.
If you knew anything about the transition process, and I'm guessing you do not, the hormone step can be done through pills or shots. Neither would require any extensive medical care. Any surgery would obviously be more complicated, but any related recovery would be a few months at worst, and all soldiers get leave at some point or another.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The monetary figure given is not significant, and the associated per-soldier costs could be offset by reductions in benefits for schooling and other things. This has absolutely nothing to do with economics or readiness or military culture. This is purely a spite move to punish trans people because there is a group of people in the US who find it gross and are too lost in their own biases to educate themselves.
Fortunately, this is just your opinion, and opinion is not a fact.

I cannot speak for everybody, as a Christian, I have zero problems with transexuals or transgender people. No problems at all.

But there is no way I'd agree that they should be allowed to serve in the military. Same reason I don't believe people who suffer from bipolar should serve in the military. (Not implying transgender = mental illness)

The reason is definitely medical readiness. Nothing else.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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How about thanking them, and then going about your day.
You thank them by kicking the out and telling them that their service was meaningless because some people think who they are is gross?
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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It's nice having a President that doesn't view the military as a laboratory for social experimentation.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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Fortunately, this is just your opinion, and opinion is not a fact.

I cannot speak for everybody, as a Christian, I have zero problems with transexuals or transgender people. No problems at all.

But there is no way I'd agree that they should be allowed to serve in the military. Same reason I don't believe people who suffer from bipolar should serve in the military. (Not implying transgender = mental illness)

The reason is definitely medical readiness. Nothing else.
Does the gender identity of a person in any way hinder thwir ability to pull the trigger of an M-16?

And lilyflower, I respect you for not judging people based on their sexuality. But you know full well that there are MILLIONS of Americans that do. They are disgusted by transgender people.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Fortunately, this is just your opinion, and opinion is not a fact.

I cannot speak for everybody, as a Christian, I have zero problems with transexuals or transgender people. No problems at all.

But there is no way I'd agree that they should be allowed to serve in the military. Same reason I don't believe people who suffer from bipolar should serve in the military. (Not implying transgender = mental illness)

The reason is definitely medical readiness. Nothing else.
If you believe they can't serve affectively in the military, then yes, you have issues with them. I've already given ways that any related transition costs could be covered, and any treatment issues wouldn't be significant if you know what's actually involved rather than what you imagine happens. You really should take the time to educate yourself on this. I have.
And yes, you just did imply that they have a mental illness with that comparison.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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You thank them by kicking the out and telling them that their service was meaningless because some people think who they are is gross?
I'm not going to respond well to your childish foot-stomping throughout this thread. You are taking the emotional road and saying ridiculous things in an effort to have an argument with someone and I won't be that someone. I find you too annoying to bother with.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Nobody is saying they are bad people. I wouldn't even say they are mentally ill. (I don't think I am qualified to diagnose them) There is even a transgender Navy Seal.

I would even say

If they do not take hormones or have a sex change operation, there’s no reason they cannot serve. To serve openly however is, probably at the expense of the US government who’ll be forced to pay for those treatments and sex change operations and psychological counseling that comes with all of that.

All these expenses add up. Plus, keeping people who suffer from chronic illness is a liability. Admit it or not.

why do some of you make it a political issue? There are a lot of straight white males have been kicked out of military for the same reason (medical readiness) we thank them by giving them service related disability benefit that they EARNED, isnt that enough? Being a transgender is not service related disability, by the way. So why military has to pay for their treatment?
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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Let's face it. The few transgender people who enlist in the military are doing it not because of any great love of country, or dedication to the mission, but to get the government to pay for their medical treatment and transition from one sex to the other. The military doesn't need to be incurring that expense.
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