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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Would someone please point me to the thread(s) of the outrage that transgenders were not allowed in to the military when Obama was president?

Anyone got those?

Surely there was non stop outrage since all these people claim to care so much about transgenders' rights in the military.

Anyone?

Ok, I'll settle for 3 threads of full on outrage from the left discussing why Obama did nothing to allow transgenders in to the military for 7 years. Was he so inept that it took him 7 out of his 8 years to get that passed, yet Trump can ban them in little over half a year in his first term?

Where was the outrage in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015?

I'm sure you all can find at least 3 threads from those years of the liberal outrage towards Obama that he did nothing to allow transgenders in the military.

Please, post them here.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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I imagine if costs were really the issue, then something would be worked out in regards to them. Instead of a flat ban.

Seems that would have been the more reasonable course of action, yes?

Also, if you want to go down rabbit hole of what the military "should" pay for in regards to the healthcare for its soldiers, then you should be prepared to have some uncomfortable conversations.

For example, is this a wise use of Military funds (i.e. tax payer money)? Pentagon spends 10 times more on erectile disfunction meds than transgender services
I don't believe that those in the military who want to change gender will simply agree to cover the costs themselves in order to remain in the military. Perhaps Trump will find other ways to manage military expenses, such as withdrawing viagra costs.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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They just want to honest about who they are. .
I have no doubt most of them are good people who just want to serve.

But once you open this door (allowing them to openly serve as a transgender folk), military is obligated to pay for every treatment comes with it. You can't deny some people choose to go through that transaction while serving in the military. If this is what they choose to do , then they are not compatible with the military.

It is not as simple as you think it is.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I provided evidence, you just didn't like it. I suspect you didn't think I would provide anything at all, so you had to undermine its relevance. I happen to take one of the world's premiere mental health organizations seriously when they state outright that it isn't a mental illness, contrary to what you claimed. You can go ahead and cling to whatever backwards thinking you want, but my position was backed. Don't worry, I get it. It's hard to admit you were wrong.
Alrighty then. You aren't willing to admit that you are making claims that science has yet to determine and I'm not willing to continue this meaningless volley with a complete tool. An impasse it shall be.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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I don't think people are denying it can be done.

Don't ask don't tell, yes, it can be done.

Openly serving will create a lot of potential problems for the military. If they need therapy in order to function while serving in the military, they need to be processed out (medical retirement.)
But why or how would it create problems? I'm genuinely curious. This isn't even something that I imagine would come up more than once.

Soldier A: "Are you transgender?"
Soldier B: "yes"


The end.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:23 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Thanks for admitting that transgender people can serve in the military effectively. It's nice to finally get someone to say as much after all this back and forth.
Lol - I said so in a couple different posts pages and pages ago. Did you miss my comment about those that have come out in the open since Ash Carter's directive have been put in an unfair position? You don't seem to understand my objection, it really and truly is strictly about military readiness - period. An individual person's rights are subservient to military readiness. Military service is not about the service member's rights, its about their responsibilities and obligations. Individual rights get turned in at the recruiter's door.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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Amazing that liberals think tht trying to
Normalize gender dysphoria is a winning strategy
You can't normalize or refuse to normalize something that just IS.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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I served 34 years in the Army. I’m transgender. President Trump is wrong. The most important thing in the military is getting the job done. Gender identity has nothing to do with it.

Sheri Swokowski is a retired Army colonel who served as the human resources director for the Wisconsin National Guard and the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S. Forest Service.




I personally think if someone is getting the job done, who cares about the rest. What do you all think?


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The opinion of this 34 year veteran outweighs the opinions of just about everybody in America. Mine included.
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I agree. It's obviously possible. It's too bad our President disagrees with people who have served for decades.
Thank you, guys. You're pretty all right.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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But why or how would it create problems? I'm genuinely curious. This isn't even something that I imagine would come up more than once.

Soldier A: "Are you transgender?"
Soldier B: "yes"


The end.
I've explained it already.

Once you open this door (allowing them to openly serve as a transgender folk), military is obligated to pay for every treatment comes with it. You can't deny some people choose to go through that transition while serving in the military. If this is what they choose to do , then they are not compatible with the military.

Medical readiness.

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Old 07-26-2017, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Alrighty then. You aren't willing to admit that you are making claims that science has yet to determine and I'm not willing to continue this meaningless volley with a complete tool. An impasse it shall be.
So the APA is lying, is what you're saying?
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