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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Israel apparently has no problem with transgendered soldiers. Doesn't seem to weaken their combat capabilities any. I suppose Israeli culture isn't hung up on personal adherence to idealized birth gender archetypes as American culture is.
Probably true. Good thing President Trump did this then.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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Are we going to go down the rabbit hole of what Healthcare the military should pay for for its soldiers? If so, what are your thoughts on covering erectile dysfunction? Pentagon spends 10 times more on erectile disfunction meds than transgender services

Do you find this coverage to be a wise use of military funds (taxpayer money)?

What you're advocating feels like a very slippery slope.
This appears to be a decision based on finances. Viagra is also a questionable military expense, but Trump might feel differently about viagra.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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I served 34 years in the Army. Iím transgender. President Trump is wrong. The most important thing in the military is getting the job done. Gender identity has nothing to do with it.

Sheri Swokowski is a retired Army colonel who served as the human resources director for the Wisconsin National Guard and the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S. Forest Service.




I personally think if someone is getting the job done, who cares about the rest. What do you all think?
It has to do with total different issues then just the sexual changes. Is the person getting a surgery paid by tax payers and is the person sleeping among their own sex and then after a while disclosing they actually are changing to the opposite sex?

How can someone focus on the military job while struggling with their own body beyond the regular issues everyone deals with.

I happen to agree with the President and at the same time I have no issues with transgender people but not in sports and not in the military.

For sports they need to compete with other transgender people.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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The question begs. A person enlists into the military. 6 months later declare themselves a transgender. Should the military foot the bill for the process of gender reassignment? Should a person's 4 year enlistment be side tracked to facilitate gender reassignment surgery? Should the military pay for the hormone treatments?
I have no issue with transgender people. I do have an issue with using defense funds to pay for it.
I agree if someone wants to do that they need to pay out of pocket after their military career is over. There are people that want to look like lions and famous celebrities etc. As long as its not costing taxpayers who cares.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Nope. We just disagree here, and that's ok. I don't like that word much. I've had lapses in judgment and have thrown it around but hopefully not at you. If so I apologize.

And thank you.
Thank you too.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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So the APA is lying, is what you're saying?
What YOU are saying is that the APA has released a peer-reviewed study that conclusively states that transgenderism has no link to mental illness. And I am telling you that no, they have not. And you wish to continue arguing this to and fro, without offering any more evidence than a generic FAQ web page that makes no such conclusion, while also insinuating here that you are an expert on the side effects of HRT. All I'm saying is that you are completely full of it, and I've wasted enough time pressing you for something that you cannot provide, because it doesn't exist. You have failed to provide any definitive sources for your "knowledge" so it's pointless to continue talking to you. You have nothing but an opinion.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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I admit I don't exactly get the transgender thing. I get gays and lesbians, that I fully understand.

But I don't think ANYONE should be discriminated against for ANY reason.

I tried to go into the air Force, but was rejected solely because I have asthma and use an inhaler, and they wouldn't take me.

I think we ALL should be equal.

For the religious people...did it ever occur to you that your God put such people as lesbians and gays and trans people on this Earth to Judge YOU?? By how YOU treat them? You might be damned to all firey hell for your discriminatory actions?

I also think I should be also eligible for the veteran's benefits, as I DID volunteer, but was rejected, otherwise I would have served besides the actual veterans.
But I am discriminated against for not being actually able to serve. I wanted to learn to fly supply planes.
But alas it wasn't meant to be. I WAS accepted and passed all the tests, but was denied on medical grounds.

No, no one, regardless who they think they are, or what color or religion or sex or sexual orientation, should be discriminated against.

What is sad, is that I am SURE gays and lesbians are Next.

Think about it , just like Archie Bunker, you could have a LGBT person save your life someday!!!


Military or not!


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Old 07-26-2017, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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For all those who might think, "there are jobs they can do that don't involve combat", let me present the element of "rotation" that I made in an earlier transgender thread (which seems to have been combined with this one just as I was doing this post!):

http://www.city-data.com/forum/48702930-post28.html

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Lol - I said so in a couple different posts pages and pages ago. Did you miss my comment about those that have come out in the open since Ash Carter's directive have been put in an unfair position? You don't seem to understand my objection, it really and truly is strictly about military readiness - period. An individual person's rights are subservient to military readiness. Military service is not about the service member's rights, its about their responsibilities and obligations. Individual rights get turned in at the recruiter's door.
Reminds me of a conference meeting between a general and his colonels (as it was told to me). The general comments about another commander requiring all personal guns to be registered.

A colonel: Well, if I was part of that command, I wouldn't have done it, because it would be against my rights!

The general: Well, colonel, if it was my command and you did that, I would court martial you because when I give an order, I expect it to be obeyed!

Being in the military is rather like that. By the way, should anyone question about the above, it would probably be covered under the Internal Security Act of (I believe) 1948 where one of the clauses is that military commanders can issue orders for the protection of their bases (nutshell).

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Old 07-26-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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You don't get why it's a problem, you'll never get why it's a problem. You can not seem to grasp that the military is not like the civilian world and can not be like the civilian world. You don't understand the military mentality, you can't because it is totally alien to your way of thinking. Military members think in terms of responsibilities and sacrifice, you think in terms of rights.
I am a vets wife, the mission was first and above all. The military does own you, and they have policies and contracts. Yet they also have Human Rights to contend with. Think all branches of the military follow the laws of our land. If The service people lose their jobs, benefits etc they have a right to get attorneys and fight for their rights to continue their contract. What Policy was in 2000 may not be the same as 2017. I do not keep up what changes when. But rights they do have.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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You don't get why it's a problem, you'll never get why it's a problem. You can not seem to grasp that the military is not like the civilian world and can not be like the civilian world. You don't understand the military mentality, you can't because it is totally alien to your way of thinking. Military members think in terms of responsibilities and sacrifice, you think in terms of rights.
Okay...
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