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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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No one should be forced to pay for somebody's viagra.

I've always said, 'If you need Viagra, you're probably with the wrong girl.' --------------Donald Trump


Mr. T should fix that too. Stop paying for somebody's viagra. It is ridiculous.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:05 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I agree. It's obviously possible. It's too bad our President disagrees with people who have served for decades.

The concept of service is foreign to him.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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Lol - I said so in a couple different posts pages and pages ago. Did you miss my comment about those that have come out in the open since Ash Carter's directive have been put in an unfair position? You don't seem to understand my objection, it really and truly is strictly about military readiness - period. An individual person's rights are subservient to military readiness. Military service is not about the service member's rights, its about their responsibilities and obligations. Individual rights get turned in at the recruiter's door.
Unfortunately, you can never convince people of this that have never lived the military life. I have often thought that military members and their immediate families should be tattooed across their foreheads OWNED AND OPERATED BY DOD. j/k (kind of)
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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And, yet...

Progressives were never trying to stop the rest of you from being employed or having access to insurance.
I had insurance but thanks to your well spoken and clean idiot I lost the plan I liked.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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The opinion of this 34 year veteran outweighs the opinions of just about everybody in America. Mine included.
Not mine.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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If it doesn't apply to you as a religious person, then so be it.

My statement still stands for those who are "religious" but are hateful to anyone who is LGBT. Remember, your GOd judges you on how YOU have done and what YOU have done, not what others do. Your religion say " love your neighbor as you love yourself". You would not discriminate yourself, now would you??????

I said I, my self don't"get" the transgender "thing". But they shouldn't be discriminated against in any way.

Oh and no, I don't think the military health insurance should cover the surgery, since many private insurance won't. They usually have to pay out of pocket from what I understand, should stand for the military as well.

But they shouldn't be discriminated against.
They are willing, like I was to serve the country.

But now be they will be rejected as I was for being asthmatic.

The LG community is Trump's next Target, you watch. Then it will be blacks and women and we will be cast back 150 years into the past when blacks were slaves women had no rights and you didn't dare breath you were "l, g b or t"...

Is that what you all want? White male supremacy in your president?

I hope not.

Allowing for discriminatory actions towards one people can lead to discriminatory actions against more.

Just wait and see.


What is discrimination? It is choosing based on criteria. It is OK to discriminate. In the case of keeping confused dysphoric people out of combat, it is the correct and rational choice. Discrimination can be very good in many cases. It has become a pejorative due to misuse. Rational discrimination should be encouraged and protected. In fact, it is a complement to describe some as "discriminating". He was a very discriminating buyer. Meaning: A careful and thoughtful and rational person giving consideration and judgment to what he is buying. We've gone overboard on the discrimination thing. We need to bring some of it back.


Which is exactly what Trump just did. And there is not another politician alive who would just come out and say the obvious truth. He is an idiot in many ways, but sometimes he isn't. But at least he's got the spheres to say what needs to be said, even in the face of SJW fire and brimstone.


And THAT is precisely why he won the election.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:18 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Badass?

The IDF couldn't even beat Hezbollah -- a paramilitary force -- despite trillions' worth of American tech, complete air superiority, and a naval blockade.

Besides, you want us to take cues from Israel now? Should we deploy to Syria, find the remaining miserable holdouts, and kick them out of their houses to make room for Orthodox settlers? What an absurd situation when a leftist points to the IDF as a model organization.
Question: WHY did I bring up Israel and not Canada or France or Sweden?

Answer: Because the right wing would say (basically) "They're weak-military **ssy-wimps who wouldn't know what manliness was if it hit them in the face". It's as if they think it's impossible for a nation to be admirable without having a strong military. That is one reason why. Another reason why is that the right wing also tends to have firm support of Israel, well, at least the Religious Right does, with whom the strong military / manliness types have considerable overlap with.

As for Hezbollah, that alone shouldn't discredit the IDF any more than Vietnam discredited American power. The cleansing of Palestinans from their own country, while terrible, is not relevant to my point - that transgenders in the IDF didn't weaken its military, so why should it weaken the US military?

Thus, you entirely missed my point. That or else you get it but just throwing out red herrings.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:20 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't think people are denying it can be done.

Don't ask don't tell, yes, it can be done.

Openly serving will create a lot of potential problems for the military. If they need therapy in order to function while serving in the military, they need to be processed out (medical retirement.)
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I have no doubt most of them are good people who just want to serve.

But once you open this door (allowing them to openly serve as a transgender folk), military is obligated to pay for every treatment comes with it. You can't deny some people choose to go through that transaction while serving in the military. If this is what they choose to do , then they are not compatible with the military.

It is not as simple as you think it is.
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I've explained it already.

Once you open this door (allowing them to openly serve as a transgender folk), military is obligated to pay for every treatment comes with it. You can't deny some people choose to go through that transition while serving in the military. If this is what they choose to do , then they are not compatible with the military.

Medical readiness.
You are 13 months too late!
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article...ter-announces/
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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There are lots of illnesses and conditions that disqualify people from being able to join the military, and many of those also would get a current service member medically discharged. Anything that requires daily medication to function is almost always a disqualifier. I was under the impression transgendered individuals, once they start taking them, actually require hormones to function normally. Just based on that alone, no, I don't they should.
Really? Does that go for the draft too? (Praying it does!!)
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