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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:40 PM
 
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What is discrimination? It is choosing based on criteria. It is OK to discriminate. In the case of keeping confused dysphoric people out of combat, it is the correct and rational choice. Discrimination can be very good in many cases. It has become a pejorative due to misuse. Rational discrimination should be encouraged and protected. In fact, it is a complement to describe some as "discriminating". He was a very discriminating buyer. Meaning: A careful and thoughtful and rational person giving consideration and judgment to what he is buying. We've gone overboard on the discrimination thing. We need to bring some of it back.


Which is exactly what Trump just did. And there is not another politician alive who would just come out and say the obvious truth. He is an idiot in many ways, but sometimes he isn't. But at least he's got the spheres to say what needs to be said, even in the face of SJW fire and brimstone.


And THAT is precisely why he won the election.
It's kinda going against the 2nd - -- but you made that assumption that they are dysphoric confused people because you are some great phycologist or mr T is???
This move he made is because hes peed off about the medical expenses of the trans deterring his f........... Wall budget!
Follow the money!!
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:58 PM
 
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I was a combat medic. Everyone bleeds red.

As long as you can shoulder and fire at the enemy- I wouldn't care 2 sheets about it.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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One little problem with that, it's quite clear that it is unconstitutional so I'm guessing this will be another Trump loss in the Courts

"a wall-to-wall ban on transgender Americans in the armed forces could only be understood as rooted in what constitutional doctrine calls animus: that is, the bare dislike of a group of people. And as the Supreme Court has held in cases going back at least to the 1970s, animus is never a constitutionally valid reason for government action."
Why Trump’s Ban on Transgender Servicepeople Is Flatly Unconstitutional - POLITICO Magazine
Um, one little problem (for you), It is NOT unconstitutional. Show me where in the Constitution that it says the US armed forces is required to let anyone serve for any reason. You have no clue what you are talking about. Worry about your own ignorance instead of worrying about Trump and the courts.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:09 PM
 
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Um, one little problem (for you), It is NOT unconstitutional. Show me where in the Constitution that it says the US armed forces is required to let anyone serve for any reason. You have no clue what you are talking about. Worry about your own ignorance instead of worrying about Trump and the courts.
That may be true, but what's the change based on??
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:25 PM
 
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sorry, but your silly attempts to compare a mental illness to civil rights is not working.
I am not comparing a mental illness to civil rights. They are not similar and can't be compared. I'm drawing a causation between fear of change and making silly excuses.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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These Social Justice Weaklings deny the logic of such a call. Perhaps we should disallow heterosexual White men from the military. Only non-whites, women and freaks. That should appease them, but they will call it a conspiracy to have them die off. Idiots.

A grown man who believes himself to be a woman is mentally ill.

The same would hold true for a man who believes himself to be pirate, a super hero, or a starship captain.

Attempts to act out these fantasies in one's day to day life should constitute all the proof of mental illness a court needs to commit an adult for psychiatric treatment. Instead, our society shifts the burden to normal people to play along with another's demented fantasy on pain of of being prosecuted or sued for discrimination.

To suppress the normal for the benefit of the crazy is a sign of a civilization at the end of its cultural rope. At this point the whole sick system has to be swept away, the sooner the better, so a new world can be rebuilt from the rubble.

This executive order was a massive symbolic step in the right direction.

Now Trump might want to consider bringing back the Aliens and Sedition Act for his next coup.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:41 PM
 
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:08 AM
 
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?
Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill. If you can't agree with yourself as to your basic nature, then you are already at war. With yourself. There is no need to resort to recruiting the mentally ill and charge them with life and death decision making. That should only be open to people who can demonstrate basic cognitive consonance with reality.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:21 AM
 
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Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill. If you can't agree with yourself as to your basic nature, then you are already at war. With yourself. There is no need to resort to recruiting the mentally ill and charge them with life and death decision making. That should only be open to people who can demonstrate basic cognitive consonance with reality.
Agreed.

I wanted to join the Air Force, but I could not because I am a diabetic. I was bummed, but certainly understood why. I require medication 2 times a day..every day or I might die. It would be impossible to absolutely guarantee that i would never miss a dose if im in a foxhole guarding against attack.

I didn't scream and whine that my rights were bieng violated and its unconstitutional.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:50 AM
 
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A grown man who believes himself to be a woman is mentally ill.
The same would hold true for a man who believes himself to be pirate, a super hero, or a starship captain.
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?

Marc Paolella
Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill.


Is either one of you a certified, qualified, medical professional? If not, do you believe you can diagnose medical conditions? What indicator of your mental health would it be if you believed either one of these notions?
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