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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-27-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes, I understand the topic. Do you understand many transgender people never undergo surgery?

If the surgery is deemed medically necessary AND other service members are given leave for medically necessary procedures, why is this a problem?
well, Yes I understand.

That is why I said

case by case. Come to think of it, I don't necessarily agree with the blanket ban.
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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well, Yes I understand.

That is why I said

case by case.
Case by case isn't done now?

Any and all service members who require medical procedures are processed out no matter the severity?
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Case by case isn't done now?

Any and all service members who require medical procedures are processed out no matter the severity?
Now you are talking about the details. I don't know.

The only thing I know is that

Pentagon-funded sex changes approved by House


Pentagon to keep paying for sex-change surgeries - Washington Times

This needs to stop.
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Case by case isn't done now?

Any and all service members who require medical procedures are processed out no matter the severity?
That depends on the military standard.

see above post 695

I already said, I don't necessarily agree with a blanket ban on transgender people in the military. I think Trump should address the issue of active duty transgender troops. So arguing with me is pointless and a waste of your time.
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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Now you are talking about the details. I don't know.

The only thing I know is that

Pentagon-funded sex changes approved by House


Pentagon to keep paying for sex-change surgeries - Washington Times

This needs to stop.
Why does it need to stop if the military pays for the medical procedures of other service members?
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Why does it need to stop if the military pays for the medical procedures of other service members?
Because it is non-service related. I don't believe the military should pay for somebody's viagra either.

They can draw service-related disability benefit after they are medically retired, like everybody else does
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:23 AM
 
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Because it is non-service related. I don't believe the military should pay for somebody's viagra either.

They can draw service-related disability benefit after they are medically retired, like everybody else dose.
So you are of the belief that any medically necessary yet non-service related procedures should not be covered for military members or their families?

-Well child visits
-OBGYN
-Childbirth
-Broken bones from non-service related activities
-Antibiotics for infections
-Doctor appointments for illnesses
-Vaccinations


And that's just off the top of my head.
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon on the issue. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like to seek hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery. The estimated annual price tag: $2.4 million to $8.4 million, per year.

Treatment is estimated to cost as much as $50,000 per soldier. Treatment generally moves from counseling to hormone therapy, and in relatively rare cases, gender reassignment surgery. A military doctor must deem the treatment medically necessary.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...gery/90331678/

bold = b.s.
What percentage of the military budget that the bold represent?

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you know it. Plus, let's please not pretend transgender troops are the "best." (Let's stop pretending the military cannot live without them) That money can go somewhere else, screw them if they don't want to serve, kick them all out.

After they get out, they can receive service related disability benefits. No wonder civilians are p*ssed. Even if you are 100% pro military, you know the above is just plain wrong.

I am 100% pro military and I know no such thing.

And, I'm not "p*ssed." Not in the least.

What I am is disgusted that there are so many people who feel that they have a right to condemn any person who is willing to serve their country in such a capacity.


Never thought I'd see the day, but I actually have to call Sen. Hatch's office to thank him for making such a strong statement:


"In a written statement to USA Today Hatch went further than the other senators and suggested that transgender people should not only be allowed to serve, but that [t]ransgender people are people, and deserve the best we can do for them."


GOP Lawmakers Break With Trump on Transgender Military Ban


Trump
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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[quote=TigerLily24;48980849]What percentage of the military budget that the bold represent?




I am 100% pro military and I know no such thing.

]/QUOTE]

You know no such a thing of what?
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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What percentage of the military budget that the bold represent?




I am 100% pro military and I know no such thing.

And, I'm not "p*ssed." Not in the least.

What I am is disgusted that there are so many people who feel that they have a right to condemn any person who is willing to serve their country in such a capacity.


Never thought I'd see the day, but I actually have to call Sen. Hatch's office to thank him for making such a strong statement:


"In a written statement to USA Today Hatch went further than the other senators and suggested that transgender people should not only be allowed to serve, but that [t]ransgender people are people, and deserve the best we can do for them."


GOP Lawmakers Break With Trump on Transgender Military Ban


Trump


yes transgenders are people


but that doesn't mean they can't be rejected for serving in the military


other people with mental illnesses and who take medication or who need operations get rejected for that all the time


why not people with gender dysphoria?
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