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Except that 45's ban doesn't look at it on a case-by-case basis, does it?
It's absolutely is wholesale discrimination, no different than deciding that people of a certain gender, ethnic or racial background couldn't serve.
As was noted by someone yesterday: "First they came for the transgenders..."
The military is there to defend the country, period. People must meet the standards. Personal career choices take a back seat to national defense.
If these people are serving they have met the standards.
We have an all volunteer military.
If people didn't make a personal career choice to join the military, we would have no military unless the draft was reinstated.
That anyone would spit on any American willing to serve, is absolutely disgusting and yes, un-American.
If these people are serving they have met the standards.
We have an all volunteer military.
If people didn't make a personal career choice to join the military, we would have no military unless the draft was reinstated.
That anyone would spit on any American willing to serve, is absolutely disgusting and yes, un-American.
My friend has been processed out because he was diagnosed with RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis) He can draw service-related disability benefit and enjoy his time in the civilian world. It is not the end of the world for him. He is no longer suitable being a Marine.
I do not agree with a blanket ban on transgender in military, but they should not be seeking sex change operation or hormone treatment while serving in the military. My two major concerns: medical readiness + cost
You should not demonize people who disagree with you.
I too am a bit conflicted on this. And the title of this thread is a bit misleading. This wasn't Trumps decision but his military leaders. That being said, I don't think this is a witch hunt against transgender people that caused this decision, I think it is more along the lines of the logistics of it. Is the military now supposed to provide separate showers, bunks, bathrooms, etc ? What happens on a Submarine, Ship etc. ? The ramifications could be costly and close to impossible.
On the other hand, we could go the way of Starship Troopers. Once you are in the military , you are a soldier , not female, not male, not gay , not transgender. You all shower together, dress together , bunk together etc.
But of course, this is all in Trumps big plan because he is racist and hates the LGTB community
The implication seems to be that even though they would enter as not being deployable, someone else can just take their place. When a couple is in the military and both end up taking the place of a transgendered not deployable, that couple both risk their lives and most often have children at home. They must give guardianship to someone in case they are deployed. You either are up for the task and meet able to meet the possible obligations or not. To allow one group to stay behind while having someone else take their place, no, just no!
Male and female are biological and cannot be exchanged by adding or taking away. They are what they are. I do not "feel" like a woman, I am biologically a woman. "Feelings" have nothing to do with it. I could imagine that I knew what it felt like to be a tree, but I will never be a tree, not if I put leaves in my hair and wrap my body in bark.
We can pander to one group like that and just write off the standards that protect the mission.
Talking about people over 50 having health issues? Not many in the military at 50 and/or post menopausal. I think many know very little about the military, of course, that makes it easier when one has a total ignorance of what they are talking about.
I saw one female work so hard to lose weight, and she had others helping but couldn't do it and was sent home. I saw another fall apart in basic that emotionally couldn't get it together sent home. My cousin was rejected for extremely poor eyesight and was devastated. Another cousin was rejected because flat feet. I tested with a guy that desperately wanted to join but couldn't get his test scores up, finally in his 3rd try he made it just barely.
Joining the military is a privilege with entry standards that have to be met and standards that have to be maintained while in the military, it is not a "right". I can't believe that these days so many think they have a "right" to whatever they might desire.
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The implication seems to be that even though they would enter as not being deployable, someone else can just take their place. When a couple is in the military and both end up taking the place of a transgendered not deployable, that couple both risk their lives and most often have children at home. They must give guardianship to someone in case they are deployed. You either are up for the task and meet able to meet the possible obligations or not. To allow one group to stay behind while having someone else take their place, no, just no!
Male and female are biological and cannot be exchanged by adding or taking away. They are what they are. I do not "feel" like a woman, I am biologically a woman. "Feelings" have nothing to do with it. I could imagine that I knew what it felt like to be a tree, but I will never be a tree, not if I put leaves in my hair and wrap my body in bark.
We can pander to one group like that and just write off the standards that protect the mission.
You apply, and you are accepted or denied based on a number of different criteria.
Mental health and combat readiness not being the least of them.
Right.
And if transgender people are currently serving, that means that they met the criteria to do so.
They got through basic training and met the requirements for whatever their MOS...
There are lots of illnesses and conditions that disqualify people from being able to join the military, and many of those also would get a current service member medically discharged. Anything that requires daily medication to function is almost always a disqualifier. I was under the impression transgendered individuals, once they start taking them, actually require hormones to function normally. Just based on that alone, no, I don't they should.
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