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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-27-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Originally Posted by AnywhereElse View Post
I voted "no" as a military veteran and the mother of a career military son.

Let me post again the many conditions that don't allow an individual the "privilege" of enlisting in the military:

Medical Conditions That May Prevent You From Joining the Military | Military.com

Mental Health: https://www.thebalance.com/military-...ission-3354046

The military have standards that have to be met. No particular group should have the necessary standards waived "just because".

In the case of transgenders, it is both mental and physical, a double whammy! Gender Dysphoria: What It Is and How It's Treated

The implication seems to be that even though they would enter as not being deployable, someone else can just take their place. When a couple is in the military and both end up taking the place of a transgendered not deployable, that couple both risk their lives and most often have children at home. They must give guardianship to someone in case they are deployed. You either are up for the task and meet able to meet the possible obligations or not. To allow one group to stay behind while having someone else take their place, no, just no!

Male and female are biological and cannot be exchanged by adding or taking away. They are what they are. I do not "feel" like a woman, I am biologically a woman. "Feelings" have nothing to do with it. I could imagine that I knew what it felt like to be a tree, but I will never be a tree, not if I put leaves in my hair and wrap my body in bark.

We can pander to one group like that and just write off the standards that protect the mission.
I agree with this too.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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No one has a "right" to join the military.

You apply, and you are accepted or denied based on a number of different criteria.

Mental health and combat readiness not being the least of them.
Right.
And if transgender people are currently serving, that means that they met the criteria to do so.
They got through basic training and met the requirements for whatever their MOS...

So, your point would be?
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:03 AM
 
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There are lots of illnesses and conditions that disqualify people from being able to join the military, and many of those also would get a current service member medically discharged. Anything that requires daily medication to function is almost always a disqualifier. I was under the impression transgendered individuals, once they start taking them, actually require hormones to function normally. Just based on that alone, no, I don't they should.

The list is quite long. My sleep apnea and allergies would disqualify me...along with being overweight.
List of Military Medical Requirements for Joining the Military
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Do you think he should be serving in the military? Keep on sending him to the combat zone? That is really cruel in my opinion.

I think he should be allowed to medically retire and draw service related disability benefit.

I found it ironic many people seem to believe allowing people with chronic illness/condition to serve = compassion.
It isn't compassion.

The military spent untold amounts of money training these people.
They are going to recoup their investment come hell or high water.

If they can do the jobs they were trained for day in and and day out, they aren't going to be relieved of duty until their service is either no longer needed or starts to reflect badly on the service.

Again, volunteer military. Despite the captive nature of the contracts, they don't operate all that differently from any Fortune 500 company.
Needs maintenance drugs to get through the day?
No problem as long as you perform.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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In what crazy world do we live where the solution to a chemical imbalance in your head is not to give medication to cure this imbalance but to chop off someone's member, pump them full of hormones and spend tens of thousands in cosmetic surgery so they feel better looking at themselves in the mirror?
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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Was listening to public radio on drive to work today and they said the transgendered ban could affect THOUSANDS of military personnel.

Anybody heard this? Seems like a SUPER high estimate to me and that they may have meant to say hundreds?
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by AnywhereElse View Post
I voted "no" as a military veteran and the mother of a career military son.
Let me post again the many conditions that don't allow an individual the "privilege" of enlisting in the military:
Medical Conditions That May Prevent You From Joining the Military | Military.com
Mental Health: https://www.thebalance.com/military-...ission-3354046
The military have standards that have to be met. No particular group should have the necessary standards waived "just because".
In the case of transgenders, it is both mental and physical, a double whammy! Gender Dysphoria: What It Is and How It's Treated
The implication seems to be that even though they would enter as not being deployable, someone else can just take their place. When a couple is in the military and both end up taking the place of a transgendered not deployable, that couple both risk their lives and most often have children at home. They must give guardianship to someone in case they are deployed. You either are up for the task and meet able to meet the possible obligations or not. To allow one group to stay behind while having someone else take their place, no, just no!
Male and female are biological and cannot be exchanged by adding or taking away. They are what they are. I do not "feel" like a woman, I am biologically a woman. "Feelings" have nothing to do with it. I could imagine that I knew what it felt like to be a tree, but I will never be a tree, not if I put leaves in my hair and wrap my body in bark.
We can pander to one group like that and just write off the standards that protect the mission.

Talking about people over 50 having health issues? Not many in the military at 50 and/or post menopausal. I think many know very little about the military, of course, that makes it easier when one has a total ignorance of what they are talking about.
I saw one female work so hard to lose weight, and she had others helping but couldn't do it and was sent home. I saw another fall apart in basic that emotionally couldn't get it together sent home. My cousin was rejected for extremely poor eyesight and was devastated. Another cousin was rejected because flat feet. I tested with a guy that desperately wanted to join but couldn't get his test scores up, finally in his 3rd try he made it just barely.
Joining the military is a privilege with entry standards that have to be met and standards that have to be maintained while in the military, it is not a "right". I can't believe that these days so many think they have a "right" to whatever they might desire.
Isn't it amazing though that Israel, a country which takes national security very seriously has allowed transgendered people to serve since 1998?
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AnywhereElse View Post
I voted "no" as a military veteran and the mother of a career military son.

Let me post again the many conditions that don't allow an individual the "privilege" of enlisting in the military:

Medical Conditions That May Prevent You From Joining the Military | Military.com

Mental Health: https://www.thebalance.com/military-...ission-3354046

The military have standards that have to be met. No particular group should have the necessary standards waived "just because".

In the case of transgenders, it is both mental and physical, a double whammy! Gender Dysphoria: What It Is and How It's Treated

The implication seems to be that even though they would enter as not being deployable, someone else can just take their place. When a couple is in the military and both end up taking the place of a transgendered not deployable, that couple both risk their lives and most often have children at home. They must give guardianship to someone in case they are deployed. You either are up for the task and meet able to meet the possible obligations or not. To allow one group to stay behind while having someone else take their place, no, just no!

Male and female are biological and cannot be exchanged by adding or taking away. They are what they are. I do not "feel" like a woman, I am biologically a woman. "Feelings" have nothing to do with it. I could imagine that I knew what it felt like to be a tree, but I will never be a tree, not if I put leaves in my hair and wrap my body in bark.

We can pander to one group like that and just write off the standards that protect the mission.

Talking about people over 50 having health issues? Not many in the military at 50 and/or post menopausal. I think many know very little about the military, of course, that makes it easier when one has a total ignorance of what they are talking about.

I saw one female work so hard to lose weight, and she had others helping but couldn't do it and was sent home. I saw another fall apart in basic that emotionally couldn't get it together sent home. My cousin was rejected for extremely poor eyesight and was devastated. Another cousin was rejected because flat feet. I tested with a guy that desperately wanted to join but couldn't get his test scores up, finally in his 3rd try he made it just barely.

Joining the military is a privilege with entry standards that have to be met and standards that have to be maintained while in the military, it is not a "right". I can't believe that these days so many think they have a "right" to whatever they might desire.
Loved reading your post and your first hand insight.
Thank you for sharing and thank you for your service.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Loved reading your post and your first hand insight.
Thank you for sharing and thank you for your service.
Yes I enjoyed her post too.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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Okay, I'm still fine with it.
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