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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-29-2017, 06:53 AM
 
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Right to serve is true, but do they have a right to gender reassignment surgery after they enlist? I am supportive of a transgender's right to be who they are. I don't support using the military to deliver it. The defense budget is massive as is the mission. The money should be spent on the mission, not handing out free reassignment surgery and treatments. My concern is that some or many transgenders will see the military as a ticket to free treatment.
Do you feel the same about other military benefits such as education, housing loans, vacation spots, and yes non-service related medical care?
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Right to serve is true, but do they have a right to gender reassignment surgery after they enlist? I am supportive of a transgender's right to be who they are. I don't support using the military to deliver it. The defense budget is massive as is the mission. The money should be spent on the mission, not handing out free reassignment surgery and treatments. My concern is that some or many transgenders will see the military as a ticket to free treatment.
Exactly.
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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No, it doesn't make us different in terms of ensuring rights for all Americans. Including the right to serve. How is comparing militaries across the world off topic as it relates to the same policy discussion?
There is no right to serve in the military. Serving in the military is a privilege.

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Right to serve is true, but do they have a right to gender reassignment surgery after they enlist? I am supportive of a transgender's right to be who they are. I don't support using the military to deliver it. The defense budget is massive as is the mission. The money should be spent on the mission, not handing out free reassignment surgery and treatments. My concern is that some or many transgenders will see the military as a ticket to free treatment.
I disagree. "Right to serve" is not true, it is a privilege. The military rejects many, I have posted the list twice, one for physical and one for mental health issues. Because of the extensive medication and surgeries, transgenders like anyone else that might need medications and surgeries to that extent would be discharged.

If a transgendered as already completely transitioned and can meet the qualifications, those required of every other member, at that point, I don't see any reason to deny them entrance.

Many here show their ignorance about military life and how the military works thus making their opinions invalid. "Individual" goes out the window.
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Tell both of my doctors that, one of which is a specialist, who knows far more about treating gender dysphoria than you ever will.

What do you recommend, Dr. Miu? "Reparative therapy"?
On this, In my humble opinion, Trans people are not inherently unfit for duty. Trans people are people like everyone else and should have the same opportunity to serve as everyone else. They are individuals and while it’s obvious that some trans people are not mentally fit to be in combat, the same can be said for any other group of people. If a trans person is fit for combat, they shouldn’t be turned away because some random other trans person isn’t. So case by case would be my opinion.

The decision reversed a policy initially approved by the Defense Department under President Barack Obama, which was still under final review, that would allow transgender individuals to openly serve in the military. Defense Secretary James Mattis announced that he was delaying enactment of the plan to begin allowing transgender individuals to join the US military.

It takes time to study the impact of allowing transgenders to openly serve in the military. I think people (not you) should calm down and allow the military to figure things out.

It is not like trans troops will be immediately kicked out of the military. It doesn't work that way. I think they will be alllowed to finish their service, and this will be a compromise.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I am sure if the general image of the trans community was FtM trans guys, the results of this poll would be different. However, Caitlyn Jenner is the image most people have and are voting accordingly. It's a shame.
Yes. I know four people who are TG (2 FTM and 2 MTF). They are regular, average people with decent jobs and regular families. I believe most of these people who are voting don't even know anyone who is TG, so they are prejudging them as being freaks and weirdos based on what they see on TV. They don't actually know any personally. TG people have been in the military since 2016. The sky didn't fall down; the military has continued as it always has. And let me remind you that the person who wants to kick them out is Donald Trump, and he isn't exactly a poster child for mental health
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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There is no right to serve in the military. Serving in the military is a privilege.



I disagree. "Right to serve" is not true, it is a privilege. The military rejects many, I have posted the list twice, one for physical and one for mental health issues. Because of the extensive medication and surgeries, transgenders like anyone else that might need medications and surgeries to that extent would be discharged.

If a transgendered as already completely transitioned and can meet the qualifications, those required of every other member, at that point, I don't see any reason to deny them entrance.
Allow me to rephrase. Everyone should have the right to apply for service, to be tested, and if they pass the physicals, background checks, and are mentally fit, then they should be allowed to serve. Sexual orientation should not be a disqualifier. Just as race, religion, or genders are not disqualifiers.
That said certain jobs require certain physical qualities. Do we want a 95 pound petite woman as a Navy SEAL? A job where she may be required to carry a 200 pound wounded SEAL on her back? I don't think so.
In the case of Transgenders. Should we just assign them to all the administrative and support roles? Taking away roles that are traditionally assigned to soldiers who are coming off combat tours?

When I was in women weren't allowed to serve in combat roles. What shocked me was using women as instructors. How do you teach a job that you never actually did? Yet they were instructors.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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With the people we are fighting now wouldn't capture of a transgender mean a death sentence for them?

I remember when people would be "gay" to stay out of the military. Now they are fighting to get in.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Right to serve is true, but do they have a right to gender reassignment surgery after they enlist? I am supportive of a transgender's right to be who they are. I don't support using the military to deliver it. The defense budget is massive as is the mission. The money should be spent on the mission, not handing out free reassignment surgery and treatments. My concern is that some or many transgenders will see the military as a ticket to free treatment.
Bold is really the bottom line.

Right to serve or not, I think they are different individuals. Some can serve, some cannot.

I am not saying all of them will see the military as a ticket to free treatment, but yes, I do understand your concern.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Yes. I know four people who are TG (2 FTM and 2 MTF). They are regular, average people with decent jobs and regular families. I believe most of these people who are voting don't even know anyone who is TG, so they are prejudging them as being freaks and weirdos based on what they see on TV. They don't actually know any personally. TG people have been in the military since 2016. The sky didn't fall down; the military has continued as it always has. And let me remind you that the person who wants to kick them out is Donald Trump, and he isn't exactly a poster child for mental health
Have you been in the military yourself so that you can actually intellectually discuss the topic? The military is not like a regular job, nothing like it.

And, no, Donald Trump is not the one that wants to kick them out. You blame Donald Trump for everything still "crying over spilled milk" that your sorry candidate lost.

I am anxious to hear about your military experience and your thoughts about doing away with having any physical or mental health standards for the military. I cannot imagine that if you were in the military that you don't understand why they have standards that have to be meant. The military IS NOT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL, it is about the MISSION.

So, tell me about your military experience, and yes, I was in the military, worked as a civilian with the military and saw a variety of individuals chaptered out and met others that failed to meet standards and were not accepted into the military.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:11 AM
 
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No, it doesn't make us different in terms of ensuring rights for all Americans. Including the right to serve. How is comparing militaries across the world off topic as it relates to the same policy discussion?

These are the same silly arguments thrown out against women serving in the military, homosexuals serving, blacks serving in integrated units ... whoever the ignorant want to discriminate against they do so with these same ridiculous arguments.
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