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Do you find this coverage to be a wise use of military funds (taxpayer money)?
What you're advocating feels like a very slippery slope.
There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon on the issue. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like to seek hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery. The estimated annual price tag: $2.4 million to $8.4 million, per year.
Treatment is estimated to cost as much as $50,000 per soldier. Treatment generally moves from counseling to hormone therapy, and in relatively rare cases, gender reassignment surgery. A military doctor must deem the treatment medically necessary.
Yep, and if we're to go by the right wing's own stereotypes, Israel's not a cheese-eating surrender nation like France. A bad-assed group like the IDF accepting transgenders? Makes you question the relevancy of gender identity when serving in the armed forces, doesn't it?
Badass?
The IDF couldn't even beat Hezbollah -- a paramilitary force -- despite trillions' worth of American tech, complete air superiority, and a naval blockade.
Besides, you want us to take cues from Israel now? Should we deploy to Syria, find the remaining miserable holdouts, and kick them out of their houses to make room for Orthodox settlers? What an absurd situation when a leftist points to the IDF as a model organization.
Sheri Swokowski is a retired Army colonel who served as the human resources director for the Wisconsin National Guard and the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S. Forest Service.
I personally think if someone is getting the job done, who cares about the rest. What do you all think?
He served 34 years, RETIRED, and THEN transitioned. So he did NOT serve while he was a transgender. He had not undergone any type of hormone therapy, he had not gone under the knife...he was not transgender while he served. He suffered from gender dysphoria, but he was NOT transgender until he retired and then decided to make changes.
There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon on the issue. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like to seek hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery. The estimated annual price tag: $2.4 million to $8.4 million, per year.
Treatment is estimated to cost as much as $50,000 per soldier. Treatment generally moves from counseling to hormone therapy, and in relatively rare cases, gender reassignment surgery. A military doctor must deem the treatment medically necessary.
I'm not discounting the cost of the treatment. I'm asking if you think the military should be in the business of defining what is/isn't covered for its military personnel. As explained above, they already spend more on erectile dysfunction that transgendered members.
Would someone please point me to the thread(s) of the outrage that transgenders were not allowed in to the military when Obama was president?
Anyone got those?
Surely there was non stop outrage since all these people claim to care so much about transgenders' rights in the military.
Anyone?
Ok, I'll settle for 3 threads of full on outrage from the left discussing why Obama did nothing to allow transgenders in to the military for 7 years. Was he so inept that it took him 7 out of his 8 years to get that passed, yet Trump can ban them in little over half a year in his first term?
Where was the outrage in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015?
I'm sure you all can find at least 3 threads from those years of the liberal outrage towards Obama that he did nothing to allow transgenders in the military.
I'm not discounting the cost of the treatment. I'm asking if you think the military should be in the business of defining what is/isn't covered for its military personnel. As explained above, they already spend more on erectile dysfunction that transgendered members.
Thank you for your response.
Not a problem.
add: the erectile dysfunction treatment is ridiculous too, by the way.
Military should treat them as everybody else. If they need to take meds on regular basis, then they should be processed out (medical retirement). Many people have been processed out for the exact same reason.
It is a very simple issue, nothing complicated about it. If they decided to go through that transition while serving in the military, then they are not compatible with the military. If they decided to wait, then I have no problems with them at all. they will be just like everybody else.
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Has the military actually said that readiness has been effected by the small number of soldiers going through transition? The number posted here was less than 150 per year. 150 people. Is the US military so pathetic that it can't handle readiness without 150 soldiers? If so, we have much bigger problems.
You don't get why it's a problem, you'll never get why it's a problem. You can not seem to grasp that the military is not like the civilian world and can not be like the civilian world. You don't understand the military mentality, you can't because it is totally alien to your way of thinking. Military members think in terms of responsibilities and sacrifice, you think in terms of rights.
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Israel apparently has no problem with transgendered soldiers. Doesn't seem to weaken their combat capabilities any. I suppose Israeli culture isn't hung up on personal adherence to idealized birth gender archetypes as American culture is.
Probably true. Good thing President Trump did this then.
Do you find this coverage to be a wise use of military funds (taxpayer money)?
What you're advocating feels like a very slippery slope.
This appears to be a decision based on finances. Viagra is also a questionable military expense, but Trump might feel differently about viagra.
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Sheri Swokowski is a retired Army colonel who served as the human resources director for the Wisconsin National Guard and the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S. Forest Service.
I personally think if someone is getting the job done, who cares about the rest. What do you all think?
It has to do with total different issues then just the sexual changes. Is the person getting a surgery paid by tax payers and is the person sleeping among their own sex and then after a while disclosing they actually are changing to the opposite sex?
How can someone focus on the military job while struggling with their own body beyond the regular issues everyone deals with.
I happen to agree with the President and at the same time I have no issues with transgender people but not in sports and not in the military.
For sports they need to compete with other transgender people.
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