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Old 07-01-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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The minimum wage is not a "cashier wage" or a "McDonalds wage" like some seem to believe. It means a better wage for people working at nursing homes for example. A booming industry, unless Trump gets his way and shuts down most nursing homes by massively defunding them.

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And management will combat it via automation. In Seattle, MW workers per city commissioned study, saw gross drop by $1,500 annually with the higher me.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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NYC Raised it to $11, going to $13 in '18. $15 in '19. Bronx Target this week went from 4-6 live cashiers 10 hours a day per station (2-3 shifts) first to ZERO, now running with 1-2 live cashiers up to 4 hours daily, so they went from 40-60 payroll hours for cashiers to a max of 8. They added 16 nice new self check outs.

So we now have payroll of $88 ($11 times 8 hours), versus last year at this time about $360 minimum ($9 times 40 hours). A reduction in gross pay for that role of $272 per week. Way to bargain.
They wouldn't have done that because of a minimum wage hike, your math proves that they went way beyond what they needed to in order to compensate for the higher wages, what you described happens when a store doesn't have enough business to support the employees, or they decided to automate which would have been a decision in the making for at least a few years - it doesn't happen overnight. And I think you are mistaken about having 1-2 cashiers for 16 self check outs, that just doesn't happen. There are too many customers in self checkout lines who need help, there are machine errors and people scanning fake bar codes the normal ratio is one employee for every 4-6 self check outs and they always have a few employee operated check stands. Nice try though!
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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Again, you proved my point by being a fascist.


Like I said if you don't like our fascist laws in the west you are free to move to North Korea. In the free country of North Korea you are free to hire as many slaves as you want, or work as one. It's the conservative paradise. Free at last!
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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And management will combat it via automation. In Seattle, MW workers per city commissioned study, saw gross drop by $1,500 annually with the higher me.
why not cite the study?
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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So we need to force people at gunpoint to pay what they don't want to pay?
When employers do not have enough employees they will pay whatever it takes to get new employees. Restricting who comes into our Country/workforce cuts down on the number of employees available to these employers. Yes; some will switch to robotics. But many will simply pay better wages and offer better incentive packages - they will want to keep/retain their employees instead of losing them to the highest bidder.

On the other hand open door immigration policies keep American wages down. We have many employers that will simply hire under the table and still pay minimum wages. There are other employers, like many today, that love to prove to their employees that they are replaceable - that is why there are so many 'temporary' jobs. Many employees are afraid to ask for a raise or demand better benefits - most of the temporary jobs have no benefits.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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The minimum wage is not a "cashier wage" or a "McDonalds wage" like some seem to believe. It means a better wage for people working at nursing homes for example. A booming industry, unless Trump gets his way and shuts down most nursing homes by massively defunding them.

There are countries that have had far higher than $15 minimum wage in effective labor costs for cashiers for a long time now. By your logic, none of them should have a job and all stores in those countries are fully automated. Is that the case? No.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I just hung up on a friend who said the minimum wage should be $0/hr, same if working or not. So, he seems to think he should be forced to become homeless, and dig rotten food out of neighbors dumpsters, even if a law prevents that. He seems to feel sorry for the people who have only $10 billion.

Is Trump promoting these feelings, or where are they coming from?



If it were up to me, everyone would be self employed.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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And management will combat it via automation. In Seattle, MW workers per city commissioned study, saw gross drop by $1,500 annually with the higher me.
They can only respond to higher minimum wage with more technological innovation to a certain degree. In low wage or high wage countries, cashiers are being replaced but not eliminated. Thats mostly because the technology is more mature now than in the past.

Seattle has a 2.7% unemployment rate. It cant get any easier to get a job than that rate.

The scaremongering of mass unemployment as a result of minimum wage and automation is getting out of hand.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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Like I said if you don't like our fascist laws in the west you are free to move to North Korea. In the free country of North Korea you are free to hire as many slaves as you want, or work as one. It's the conservative paradise. Free at last!
Again with the fascist move.

NK is a liberal paradise as everyone gets free health care, college housing and food. Oh, everyone is making the same amount of money.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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They wouldn't have done that because of a minimum wage hike, your math proves that they went way beyond what they needed to in order to compensate for the higher wages, what you described happens when a store doesn't have enough business to support the employees, or they decided to automate which would have been a decision in the making for at least a few years - it doesn't happen overnight. And I think you are mistaken about having 1-2 cashiers for 16 self check outs, that just doesn't happen. There are too many customers in self checkout lines who need help, there are machine errors and people scanning fake bar codes the normal ratio is one employee for every 4-6 self check outs and they always have a few employee operated check stands. Nice try though!
1-2 LIVE cashiers part of day, 1 mans 16 self check outs.

Busy store. Smart management. Also cut stockers hours, employee headcount in departments, etc with that higher MW lefties love.
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