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Old 06-30-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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I just hung up on a friend who said the minimum wage should be $0/hr, same if working or not. So, he seems to think he should be forced to become homeless, and dig rotten food out of neighbors dumpsters, even if a law prevents that. He seems to feel sorry for the people who have only $10 billion.

Is Trump promoting these feelings, or where are they coming from?

#1 Don't be so emotional that you hang up and don't be afraid to listen.

#2 He isn't likely suggesting that people will work for $0.00, but rather there shouldn't be a minimum wage.

#3 There should be a minimum wage so we don't go back to the Andrew Carnegie days of $10 work weeks for 84 hour weeks, while poverty level is $500 for a family of 4.

#4 $15 might work in Seattle or some other high cost of living area. However, $15 is too high nationwide for rural places and Democrats will accelerate automation of burger makers if every McDonald's everywhere has to pay that much to flip a burger.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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When I was 17, I took a job for the last half of the summer, at our county fairgrounds, helping to fix up the place for the annual event. The chairwoman of the Fair Board was the acting superintendent for one year, until they could hire a new permanent person. She was a multi-millionaire and an ultra-conservative and had been a founder of the local chapter of the John Birch Society.

As I checked in on the first day, she said the government was interfering and forcing them to pay me a wage, that was actually only 75% of the fairly low amount I got the first part of the summer, working for a farmer. But I wanted the experience working there, so I took it, anyway. Then she lectured me about how young people should be taught the value of money and how hard they had to work for it. I assume she'd have paid me only half as much, if she'd had her way. That was my first experience with minimum wage. As low as it was, it would have been even more minimal, without the law.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Madbury, NH
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The minimum wage law was passed because people were so desperate during depression they would just about work for 0, and ALL people were being taken advantage of.....for starters. Not because they were black or women either.....it was because everyone and anyone practically, wanted to work and wanted to make a living, but there were so many applicants for jobs it was basically who would work for the least so the gov't set a floor for non gov't/non supervisory jobs.....and it got shot down by the Supreme Court in the early 30s during the NRA. It finally became law in '38.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:48 PM
 
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Long before we had a minimum wage, people were still paid to work.

To think they would not insist on being paid is to call employees idiots.

Long before we had housing and zoning codes, there was no need for a minimum wage because housing was affordable to workers.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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MW is simply a means to eliminate wage competition. That is the polar opposite of a Free Market

Housing and building codes are the polar opposite of a Free Market.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:53 PM
 
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If you truly care about the poor, set the minimum wage to be $0. If you hate the poor, jack it up as high as you want.

The wage is driven by supply and demand, not by the vile employers.

If you truly care about the poor, set the minimum housing and zoning codes to zero.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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But they will NEVER be able to successfully lobby to lower housing and zoning codes.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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Firstly, if I am willing to work for less, why shiuld that be anybody's business?

The idea that by passing a law, you can force the employers to pay more is laughable at best. Would you? You wouldn't.

Because what you're doing makes me worse off in an unfree housing market?
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:59 PM
 
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Firstly, if I am willing to work for less, why shiuld that be anybody's business?

The idea that by passing a law, you can force the employers to pay more is laughable at best. Would you? You wouldn't.

For the same reason it's anybody else's business if I want to live in a dilapidated hovel?
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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There is no minimum wage in China, and look how well that one works out !
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