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Old 07-05-2017, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Finland
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The problem is the government deciding who lives and who dies, and when. Why that is not alarming to more people blows me away.
No, nature (or God if you prefer) decided that Charlie is going to die. The Courts just decided that he shouldn't be forced to suffer any more before he dies.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Great Ormond Street Hospital have turned down the Vaticans offer, indeed why would you transfer a child from Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) a centre of excellence and one of the top 5 childrens hospitals in the world, and is a leading centre in relation to rare childhood diseases such as mitochondrial depletion syndrome. The Vatican Hospital has none of the expertise or experience that GOSH does.

Former Paediatric and Child Fertility Scientist Lord Winston does believe the final decision should be with the parents, however he made the following statement on British television this morning -

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The problem is that you have to make a judgement about the kind of mitochondrial mutation that is present in those cells. Presumably [the authorities] must have looked at this in some detail. The fact that one child with a different cells has improved doesn’t mean [this child will].”

"These interferences from the Vatican and from Donald Trump seem to me to be extremely unhelpful and very cruel, actually, because this child has been dealt with at a hospital which has huge expertise in mitochondrial disease and is being offered a break in a hospital that has never published anything on this disease, as far as I'm aware."

The leading scientist and 'Child of Our Time' broadcaster warned that undergoing further treatment could be more detrimental to Charlie: “I agree with you. The probability is that this will be even more tragic and even more disturbing for this child to be travelling to Italy or wherever it goes.”

Charlie Gard: Vatican children's hospital offers help - BBC News

Charlie Gard: Piers Morgan and Robert Winston CLASH amid Pope's ‘interference’ - Daily Express
It also should be noted that the European Convention on Human Rights is enshrined in British Law, so legally now that a final decision has been made the Hospital and indeed Government must adhere to it and the ECHR can not revoke a final decision. It is however clear that experimental treatment will not be in the babies best interest as confirmed by Lord Winston.

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Old 07-05-2017, 03:55 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yes. And of course, Trump has to tweet about how the U.S. would be "delighted" to help this hopeless case, while he and his party are working to take healthcare away from U.S. citizens.
Who took health care away from U.S. Citizens? Barack Obama did! "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." That turned out to be one big fat lie, as millions of Americans lost their plan, an it was replaced with a useless plan at much higher cost.

When your premiums are higher than your mortgage payment, and your deductible is $15,000, you don't have insurance.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:00 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Trashing Trump at every opportunity!

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Trump is easily manipulated by anything that makes him feel more powerful and famous. In other words, Trump's tweet was not about the child.
Even when Trump offers help to someone, you people trash him! Disgusting! But this is the state of the Democrat "Anti-American Party" today.

It was Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, and not Hillary Clinton, that obtained Sgt. Tahmooressi's release from Mexican prison, and gave him $25,000 to get back on his feet. But you never heard that from your idols, Rachel Madcow, "Morning Joke" and his mistress "Mika the homewrecker," "Wolfman" Blitzer or Anderson Pooper Scooper, the purveyors of Fake News.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:09 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Why does the question always revert back to Obamacare, a failed plan that destroyed the American health care system which was the best in the world. Were people leaving the U.S. to obtain medical care in other countries for their illnesses? No! They were lining up at our borders to get treatment in the USA! No one was going to Canada for cancer treatment, or to Germany, or France, or anywhere else on the planet!
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:10 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Just another Trump bashing thread. Don't bother reading.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:13 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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First of all, my heart goes out to these parents. But why are we singling them out for help. They are many parents who go through crisis with their babies, yet no one helps them. And I got a good laugh when Trump said he would help when he wants to take healthcare away from millions in our own country.
No, he want's to give people back their health care that they lost under Obama! Quit lying!

The Republicans would like everyone to have healthcare ...just not at the expense of losing their home!
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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No, nature (or God if you prefer) decided that Charlie is going to die. The Courts just decided that he shouldn't be forced to suffer any more before he dies.
Yes, "God" couldn't make it much more clear that "He" wants Charlie to come "home", yet "Gods" followers think they know better than their "God".


The religious believe going "home to be with the Lord" is the ultimate goal, nirvana if you will, yet they fight against letting this child go.


Or......maybe they all think Charlie will go to "Hell" when he dies?


I will never understand how the religious think. SMH
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:30 AM
 
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Yes, "God" couldn't make it much more clear that "He" wants Charlie to come "home", yet "Gods" followers think they know better than their "God".


The religious believe going "home to be with the Lord" is the ultimate goal, nirvana if you will, yet they fight against letting this child go.


Or .......maybe they all think Charlie will go to "Hell" when he dies?


I will never understand how the religious think. SMH
Wow! What twisted thinking on your part. SMH
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Out West
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No, nature (or God if you prefer) decided that Charlie is going to die. The Courts just decided that he shouldn't be forced to suffer any more before he dies.
Do you hear yourself? Like that is acceptable?

What is with you people? It's not YOUR KID! It's not the court's kid! If they have raised the money, NO ONE should get to tell them "nope, you don't get to try, he has to die. Too bad for you."

I'm disgusted at you people.

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Yes, "God" couldn't make it much more clear that "He" wants Charlie to come "home", yet "Gods" followers think they know better than their "God".


The religious believe going "home to be with the Lord" is the ultimate goal, nirvana if you will, yet they fight against letting this child go.


Or......maybe they all think Charlie will go to "Hell" when he dies?


I will never understand how the religious think. SMH
Who the hell are you talking about? Did you just pull that out of your ass? I'm not a religious person and have said so several times on this forum.

So now what's your pathetic argument?
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