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Old 07-05-2017, 06:29 PM
 
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Isn't this where Liberals come in with, education, education, education. Minimum wage is not meant to be a life time wage, it's job force entrance wage, a bottom rung on the ladder wage working your way up as you get experience and education.

At my minimum wage workplace we have a half dozen college graduates. Education is highly overrated.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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How do you work 80 hours a week when you have no car and numerous daytime medical appointments make it impossible to work a 9-5 daytime shift?
Did you graduate from high school? Did you ever work full-time? Were you always requiring "multiple daytime medical appointments"? Do you have a large debt on credit cards?


Most people are compassionate and kind if someone makes a mistake. If a person makes multiple bad choices and suffers the consequences, not so much. At some point, s/he are just on their own.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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Did you graduate from high school? Did you ever work full-time? Were you always requiring "multiple daytime medical appointments"? Do you have a large debt on credit cards?


Most people are compassionate and kind if someone makes a mistake. If people make multiple bad choices and suffer the consequences, not so much.

Yes. Yes. No (that kicked in 15 years ago). No. I was uninsured for 30 years and eventually developed a chronic condition. Never did drugs or crime or any of those "culture of poverty" bad choices.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:42 PM
 
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Do you think you are you entitled to live in a property owners' real estate?

What does that have to do with zoning? Zoning creates artificial housing supply shortages, thereby inflating property values and rents. It is the incremental/marginal "inflated" value which zoning redistributed from renters to owners.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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You're not supposed to be "surviving" on minimum wage. It's an entry level wage. Anyone who is too dumb to move up from that deserves to be poor.

At my workplace there are no internal advancement opportunities expected for the next 15 years or so, when my boss eventually retires.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Yes. Yes. No (that kicked in 15 years ago). No. I was uninsured for 30 years and eventually developed a chronic condition. Never did drugs or crime or any of those "culture of poverty" bad choices.
Why do you think you have been financially unsuccessful, freemkt?
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:52 PM
 
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You are undoubtedly struggling to support yourself on $8 per hour (which I assume is the prevailing minimum wage in your area). In ours and other areas the minimum rate is between $11-$15 per hour ... however, the area cost of living is likely higher, thus the increased rate doesn't provide proportionately greater buying power.

The problem with unilaterally raising the minimum wage is that it drives the entire wage-chain upward. Since most businesses are not greedily sitting on excess wage money, they will be forced to raise prices, which, in-turn, will eat-up the perceived benefit of an increased minimum wage.

The politicians who keep promoting the notion of a universal $15 minimum wage - are only pandering for votes! If successful, they will be back in another couple of years soliciting $17-$20 minimum wage voters ... who aren't living any better on $15 per hour - than they previously lived on $8 per hour.

In the real world, there will always be people earning minimum wage who are unable to keep up with others who are earning more. But, that's not a problem that will ever be resolved by simply raising the minimum wage.


It helps a lot to understand WHO is protesting for a higher minimum wage, and WHY they are protesting. It's not teens living with mommy and daddy, it's adults paying rent.

The rent is too high because there isd a shortage of housing affordable to minimum wage workers. Simple as that, hence the solution is also simple. Let the private sector build an adequate supply of housing.

A higher (or lower) minimum wage does nothing to create an adequate supply of housing. The solution is clear. But politicians will NEVER do the right thing because they are unwilling to commit political suicide by offending the homeowners who don't want more housing in their neighborhood.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:52 PM
 
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At my workplace there are no internal advancement opportunities expected for the next 15 years or so, when my boss eventually retires.
There are OTHER workplaces.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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Why do you think you have been financially unsuccessful, freemkt?

No marketable job skills. I finally developed a marketable self-employment skill and was making money until health issues sidelined me for a time. Right now I cannot use my self-employment skill in this house because someone else in the house did something bad which has restricted what everyone can do in the house.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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Not counting food I can live off of $400 a month
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