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Old 07-10-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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Nonsense. You're just scared. Pipe down. Geez.
Scared is not the right word. I am being realistic. Coming from the New York area, I personally lost friends, community members and many, many first responders living and at one working so close to 9/11. If that makes me more sensitive to her comments, then so be it.

 
Old 07-10-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Nonsense. You're just scared. Pipe down. Geez.
I'm sure many people said the same about Hitler in the early years
 
Old 07-10-2017, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Are you speaking about the Amish? Or the Free Men in Idaho? Or the Bundies (Mormons)?
Or many other sects and cults?

Maybe the Scientologists? The Libertarian "Free Staters" in NH? The Militias?

BTW, what is American Culture? Do Christian fundamentalists follow American Culture? Is it being obese or dying young of a heart attack? Or is it going to Las Vegas or other Casinos?

Does one have to dine at Hooters to enter "American Culture"?

Maybe you could point us to a web site explaining this American Culture? Funny, I always thought we were a nation of immigrants. Apparently this is no longer the case.

Maybe we'd have to study only descendants of those on the Mayflower?

Are Native Americans part of our culture?

I am very confused. Maybe an Australian guy - you know, the guy who started the sensationalist and soft porn news outlets that eventually become Fox, is what American Culture is?
Maybe those things are.

Or maybe a Caliphate is American culture.

Executing gays and rape victims in the public square.

Cutting off the clitoris of a 4 year old girl.

Delicious kebab.

Maybe those things are American culture.
 
Old 07-10-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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Scared is not the right word. I am being realistic. Coming from the New York area, I personally lost friends, community members and many, many first responders living and at one working so close to 9/11. If that makes me more sensitive to her comments, then so be it.
9/11 was blowback.

Don't do things that generate blowback and we won't have to worry about another 9/11.
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I'm sure many people said the same about Hitler in the early years
Here we go again...Reductio ad Hitlerum. No debate is ever complete without it.
 
Old 07-10-2017, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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9/11 was blowback.

Don't do things that generate blowback and we won't have to worry about another 9/11.


Here we go again...Reductio ad Hitlerum. No debate is ever complete without it.
9/11 attack was justified you think ?
 
Old 07-11-2017, 01:29 AM
 
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9/11 attack was justified you think ?
To the people who committed it, yes. They had their reasons.

We attacked and invaded Iraq. We overthrew governments in several nations and assassinated leaders. We've propped up brutal dictatorships all over the world. In some cases, we PLACED those people in power and they were tyrannical leaders who killed and oppressed people.

So should the United States be immune to the same evil that it's imposed on other nations just because we're Americans? Is that reasonable to you?
 
Old 07-11-2017, 01:37 AM
 
Location: USA
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9/11 was blowback.

Don't do things that generate blowback and we won't have to worry about another 9/11.
Bin Laden was pretty clear on why 911 Happened. 1) We were on Saudi Soil after we defended them against an Iraqi invasion. 2) We are Allied with Israel 3) And a Fatwa he issued in 1998 saying that Western sanctions against Iraq lead to many Muslim deaths in that country.

Of course Bin Laden's logic was insane considering the fact that if we didn't defend Saudi Arabia against Sadam, Saudi Arabia would be under Iraqi control today.
 
Old 07-11-2017, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Non-violent or not, her words, body language, tone and attitude towards this country can incite violence she may not even be aware of.
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So what? Her community is not a country.

She said that Muslim-Americans' number one priority should be protecting and defending their communities, not assimilating or pleasing people in power.

Like I said, she can criticize her government all she wants, I have zero problems with that. Nobody is supposed to please the people in power anyway.

But when she says her number one priority is protecting and defending her own little communities, and not assimilating.. she needs to realize that she is on her own.
"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

I would bet Scalise would have a different opinion. Are these people really this disconnected from reality?


I do a search for "right wing violence" which returns nothing but the violence from the left.

Once again, they are trying to turn the facts on themselves. The only truly violent uprisings have been from the left and groups who align with the left (black bloc, BLM, Muslim Defense...etc.)

..and they (left progressives) spin their own hate as it's right hatred that's the problem:
https://www.thenation.com/article/wh...ical-violence/

they need to physical up for the coming war
Self-defense class prepares Muslim women to fight back against hate | The Daily Texan

Which they themselves have created.


Can anyone post a credible cite to right wing violence over the last decade? How many right wing "hit lists" have been discovered? NONE! Several from the kooks on the left, which never seems to find room on MSNBC or CNN. Gee, I wonder why?

I can post an endless list of factual left wing violence, yet zilch on the right wing violence. This is becoming an absurd, daft in some cases, lynching of the truth.
 
Old 07-11-2017, 02:38 AM
 
Location: USA
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"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

I would bet Scalise would have a different opinion. Are these people really this disconnected from reality?


I do a search for "right wing violence" which returns nothing but the violence from the left.

Once again, they are trying to turn the facts on themselves. The only truly violent uprisings have been from the left and groups who align with the left (black bloc, BLM, Muslim Defense...etc.)

..and they (left progressives) spin their own hate as it's right hatred that's the problem:
https://www.thenation.com/article/wh...ical-violence/

they need to physical up for the coming war
Self-defense class prepares Muslim women to fight back against hate | The Daily Texan

Which they themselves have created.


Can anyone post a credible cite to right wing violence over the last decade? How many right wing "hit lists" have been discovered? NONE! Several from the kooks on the left, which never seems to find room on MSNBC or CNN. Gee, I wonder why?

I can post an endless list of factual left wing violence, yet zilch on the right wing violence. This is becoming an absurd, daft in some cases, lynching of the truth.
Wiki has a list, but it's hard to break it into Left and Right specific attacks. For Instance are Environmental Extremist who attack someone Leftist? Are the killers of the Police in Dallas and elsewhere Leftists? Was the Unibomber on the Right or Left?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror...nti-government
 
Old 07-11-2017, 02:57 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Sarsour was born in the US and advocates for non- violent jihad. Some media omits " non- violent" when they portray her.

She has been and continues to be a frequent guest on Fox News.

My own sense of her is that she is a political opportunist and latches onto controvercy. She penned an article,
"My hijab is my hoodie" during the Travon Martin ordeal.

You all seem outraged that a Muslim woman chooses to call for non- violent action and have no issue with violating free speech and calling for the deportation of a US citizen born and raised in the US.
So you admit she is a radical left wingers who puts her ethnic/religious identity before her American identity. She is more loyal to the Muslim community than to America. This is true of many parts of the left-wing coalition including BLM and the illegal alien movement. By the way her mention of Trayvon shows her racism and radicalism. Its been established by the courts and confirmed by the Obama DOJ that Zimmerman was justified in killing Trayvon in self defense. Trayvon left him no choice when he attacked him and attempted to kill him in his drugged up rage. This is what all the evidence shows. The evidence also shows that most of the other BLM claims including Freddie Gray, Mike Brown, and Alton Sterling and Philando Castile are also debunked!
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