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The ny times did a decent article on this but I like hunter wallaces response, total alienation from the dominant liberal media and a deep desire to destroy it.
"Charles C. Johnson, the writer who was banned from Twitter after a post seeking donations toward ‘‘taking out’’ the Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson — he has said he meant by means of journalistic investigation — runs WeSearchr, a crowdfunding site for causes that might be disallowed on mainstream platforms like GoFundMe. Recently the site gathered pledges of over $150,000 to defend Andrew Anglin, the publisher of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, against a lawsuit.
Pax Dickinson, the former chief technology officer of Business Insider who abruptly left the company after journalists uncovered a wider-ranging history of offensive Twitter posts, collaborated with Johnson on the service, but after a falling-out he created his own: Counter.fund is described on its website as a ‘‘crowdfunding platform built by and for the wider Alt-Right counterculture.’’
There is no burgeoning right-wing ‘‘alternative’’ Facebook or YouTube yet, but that development feels inevitable.
"I’m not interested in being “mainstream” anymore. It seems like every year the “mainstream” becomes further removed from my values. I don’t believe the laundry list of -isms and -phobias that have been created since the 20th century and propagated by the media have anything to do with morality. I’m not interested in “mainstream” news and entertainment these days.
I’m tuned into social media where I interact with all my disillusioned peers on Facebook and Twitter. I have no idea who anchors NBC, CBS and ABC. I seem to know less and less about what is going on in sports and popular culture. I quit watching Hollywood movies. I lost interest in virtually most television shows, but I do watch videos that interest me on YouTube. I don’t need to conform to the “mainstream” because I already have lots of real world friends, a family and thousands of online followers
The “mainstream” established its grip over our culture in the mid-20th century when mass media was in its infancy and there were no alternatives. Conservatives developed the habit of deferring to the dominant “mainstream.” There is no reason to submit to the “mainstream” anymore though or to remain oriented toward it. Few people who are rightwing these days trust the hostile “mainstream” media. It still cracks the whip but ordinary people are only still terrified by it out of habit.
Trump wouldn’t have been possible if the “mainstream” is still as strong as some people believe it to be. It isn’t nearly as strong as it was ten years ago."
People that subscribe to alt-right views typically have a very narrow world view that removes the nuance from complex issues. For example, many in the alt-right believe race is genetic and not sociological, and they use to explain everything from terrorism to economic inequality - basically anyone who isn't white is predisposed to violence and failure. Eddie Huang of Vice recently interviewed Jared Taylor of the American Renaissance, an alt-right publication, who literally said that colonialism was justified because "whites were so technologically advanced." Using race to remove nuance in complex social problems is one way the alt-right appeals to the uneducated and inexperienced.
Anything that isn't the problem of minorities is a conspiracy by the government. You see this in Sandy Hook. Instead of facing the grim reality of mental health, gun violence, and domestic terrorism - alt-right darling Alex Jones simplifies things by accusing the government of an elaborate conspiracy. Pizza Gate, 9/11, Clinton's "demon worship," everything is somehow a conspiracy by these mystical liberal elites. In a way, the world becomes much less scary if you believe the government is behind every act of terrorism or bad event - and a lot of uneducated people really cling to these beliefs.
Finally, the alt-right is just plain weird. Alex Jones sells testosterone supplements because he believes that the government is making men more feminine through genetic engineering. Infowars came out with a video last week that said postmodern architecture oppresses white people - that's just fear mongering.
People on the right side of history will always be those who fight for rights of people that don't have them, not to take them away. The policy solutions given by Steve Bannon and the Trump admin would be comical if you didn't think about what they would do without congress and progressives. So the alt-right may be alternative - but it's certainly a bad one.
The ny times did a decent article on this but I like hunter wallaces response, total alienation from the dominant liberal media and a deep desire to destroy it.
"Charles C. Johnson, the writer who was banned from Twitter after a post seeking donations toward ‘‘taking out’’ the Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson — he has said he meant by means of journalistic investigation — runs WeSearchr, a crowdfunding site for causes that might be disallowed on mainstream platforms like GoFundMe. Recently the site gathered pledges of over $150,000 to defend Andrew Anglin, the publisher of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, against a lawsuit.
Pax Dickinson, the former chief technology officer of Business Insider who abruptly left the company after journalists uncovered a wider-ranging history of offensive Twitter posts, collaborated with Johnson on the service, but after a falling-out he created his own: Counter.fund is described on its website as a ‘‘crowdfunding platform built by and for the wider Alt-Right counterculture.’’
There is no burgeoning right-wing ‘‘alternative’’ Facebook or YouTube yet, but that development feels inevitable.
"I’m not interested in being “mainstream” anymore. It seems like every year the “mainstream” becomes further removed from my values. I don’t believe the laundry list of -isms and -phobias that have been created since the 20th century and propagated by the media have anything to do with morality. I’m not interested in “mainstream” news and entertainment these days.
I’m tuned into social media where I interact with all my disillusioned peers on Facebook and Twitter. I have no idea who anchors NBC, CBS and ABC. I seem to know less and less about what is going on in sports and popular culture. I quit watching Hollywood movies. I lost interest in virtually most television shows, but I do watch videos that interest me on YouTube. I don’t need to conform to the “mainstream” because I already have lots of real world friends, a family and thousands of online followers
The “mainstream” established its grip over our culture in the mid-20th century when mass media was in its infancy and there were no alternatives. Conservatives developed the habit of deferring to the dominant “mainstream.” There is no reason to submit to the “mainstream” anymore though or to remain oriented toward it. Few people who are rightwing these days trust the hostile “mainstream” media. It still cracks the whip but ordinary people are only still terrified by it out of habit.
Trump wouldn’t have been possible if the “mainstream” is still as strong as some people believe it to be. It isn’t nearly as strong as it was ten years ago."
Very interesting article. I knew about gab but had never heard of the crowd funding websites. Very interesting stuff.
You could see this coming a mile away. But it has nothing to little to do with being "alt-right".The MSM, especially the NYT, may try to brand it that way but it's simply common sense being embraced once again.
The mainstream Left has become so insufferably unfunny, uptight, vindictive, and authoritarian the younger generation naturally wants to rebel against that.
It's in their DNA to do so.
Me and my Gen X peers did the same thing in the 80s to early 90s. The Boomers did it in the 60s. Back then it was against a Right establishment. We're coming off 8 years of Obama and the SJW movement explosion. The backlash was inevitable. Trump was the atomic bomb of the movement.
Look at what happened with CNN this week. That sums it up right there. The establishment is so tone deaf, so out of touch with the pulse of what's going on that CNN released that statement with a singular line that shook the teen angst in all of us no matter how much gray you have (for the record I'm only gray in my beard ).
Liberalism has become the slow, regressive, antiquated side. I don't know how many times I had to explain to folks on this forum how a gif/meme goes viral/gets forwarded.
Liberalism is no longer hip or cool. Technology has passed them by...apparently.
And yes, I know this is full of generalizations but this is the sense you get if you keep up with what's going on just under the radar.
Speaking of Gen X, Adam Carolla had an interesting take on why he thought Trump was going to win prior to the election. It generated a thread in here.
He talked about how in the late 80s/very early 90s despite mainstream music being dominated by "hair metal" (Poison, Bon Jovi, Warrant, Motley Crue, etc) that many people were sick of the formulated sound. It had become so predictable and boring.
Simmering underneath the mainstream was grunge/alternative music (Nirvana, Pearl Jam Smashing Pumpkins, etc) that was fresh, organic, unformulated.
The music industry tried ignoring it as they had their money machines (the hair metal bands) still raking in the cash. But the people demanded the new sound and eventually (1991ish) the mainstream was forced to play, promote and embrace grunge because that's what the people wanted because that's where the money was going to be.
Liberalism is no longer hip or cool. Technology has passed them by...apparently.
I don't think so. Bernie Sanders attracted millions of enthusiastic followers, mostly in their 20's and 30's. If anything, "democratic socialism" is the new in thing.
I don't agree with the Times article. Trumpism is a reactionary, rear view mirror movement, the last gasp of the aging Baby Boomers. There's nothing "alternative" or "edgy" about it. It's just reactionary populism. The one exception I will grant is the true "Alt-Right" micro-movement, which actually is very small, is made up of younger conservatives that sarcastically reject pretty much all institutions, left and right.
The ny times did a decent article on this but I like hunter wallaces response, total alienation from the dominant liberal media and a deep desire to destroy it.
"Charles C. Johnson, the writer who was banned from Twitter after a post seeking donations toward ‘‘taking out’’ the Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson — he has said he meant by means of journalistic investigation — runs WeSearchr, a crowdfunding site for causes that might be disallowed on mainstream platforms like GoFundMe. Recently the site gathered pledges of over $150,000 to defend Andrew Anglin, the publisher of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, against a lawsuit.
I see.
Let's be upfront then. You are a sympathizer of Charles C. Johnson and Andrew Anglin, two white supremacists who advocate "taking out" their opponents and then lacking the guts to stand behind their words, make the disingenuous claim that taking out = journalism. Journalists 'expose" what's really going on in any given situation. They do "investigative reporting," and so forth and so on. Even Fox which surely sets the lowest bar ever for news reporting, doesn't state that they are going to "take out" Bernie or Hillary.
Man up and admit that you are a devoted reader of "The Daily Stormer," and that you feel ALL people of color should be put in their place - once and for all. The "old" counter culture had no problem explaining what they stood for. Neither should you. Man up or shut up.
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"I’m not interested in being “mainstream” anymore. It seems like every year the “mainstream” becomes further removed from my values. I don’t believe the laundry list of -isms and -phobias that have been created since the 20th century and propagated by the media have anything to do with morality. I’m not interested in “mainstream” news and entertainment these days.
I’m tuned into social media where I interact with all my disillusioned peers on Facebook and Twitter. I have no idea who anchors NBC, CBS and ABC. I seem to know less and less about what is going on in sports and popular culture. I quit watching Hollywood movies. I lost interest in virtually most television shows, but I do watch videos that interest me on YouTube. I don’t need to conform to the “mainstream” because I already have lots of real world friends, a family and thousands of online followers
The “mainstream” established its grip over our culture in the mid-20th century when mass media was in its infancy and there were no alternatives. Conservatives developed the habit of deferring to the dominant “mainstream.” There is no reason to submit to the “mainstream” anymore though or to remain oriented toward it. Few people who are rightwing these days trust the hostile “mainstream” media. It still cracks the whip but ordinary people are only still terrified by it out of habit.
Trump wouldn’t have been possible if the “mainstream” is still as strong as some people believe it to be. It isn’t nearly as strong as it was ten years ago."
Fox News, the darling of every con ever born went on air in October of 1996. We are now in 2017 (in case you haven't noticed). Fox has been spreading lies and America's Funniest Home Videos, pretending these things are actually "news" for over 21 years now. What you are saying is that for the last 21 years you have existed solely on a diet of Fox and probably Rush Limbaugh. You live in an alternative reality - you and the approx 30 - 40 million other Americans who make up Trump's core. In the mid-20th century, there were 3 networks and cable had not yet been invented. People mostly listened to that evilest of human beings - Walter Cronkite. I used to have nightmares about him myself when I was a child.
I am not given to being terrified of any of the media attempting to crack any so-called whips. True, I have a very strong dislike of the "The Daily Stormer" and others of its ilk. However, so long as we have a free society as guaranteed by the Constitution, I am not terrified of these rags that pander to a right so extreme that it makes Hitler look like a pu$$y cat.
I'm sure that you do have "thousands" of followers - so did Ted Kozinski. According to City Data, I have over 3 million readers, myself. However, I am unimpressed by my own statistics, never mind yours. By your own admission, you have become a very isolated and highly partisan individual who only watches things on YouTube that you agree with now that the coast is clear for you to do so. What a damning description of your right wing new "counter-culture." I'll pass along with the majority of other Americans who still have their own moral compass and the ability to think for themselves.
Trump wouldn't have been elected if the MSM would have realized he was a serious candidate.
Fox was another media player giving voice to the alternative of MSM but they don't do a good enough job of getting into depth and they fall prey to the sensational like MSM does.
Hopefully something more will be offer with less propaganda and more in-depth coverage of issues and less pundits that are put on as experts but don't know fecal matter.
I don't think so. Bernie Sanders attracted millions of enthusiastic followers, mostly in their 20's and 30's. If anything, "democratic socialism" is the new in thing.
I don't agree with the Times article. Trumpism is a reactionary, rear view mirror movement, the last gasp of the aging Baby Boomers. There's nothing "alternative" or "edgy" about it. It's just reactionary populism. The one exception I will grant is the true "Alt-Right" micro-movement, which actually is very small, is made up of younger conservatives that sarcastically reject pretty much all institutions, left and right.
Bernie's day is over. If democratic socialism was the new in thing he wouldn't be completely irrelevant 8 months after the election...as he is now. Though doing some prison time may get him some street cred.
How is that micro-movement "alt-right" then? It's simply rejecting anything mainstream regardless if it's right or left as you noted. I too didn't understand this for awhile but it popped up again this week when liberals kept insisting that 4chan/8chan are pro-Trump.
They were pro-Trump when it was Trump vs Hillary (the establishment in every sense of the word). Now they are simply anti-whoever is wrong. CNN tried to blackmail one of their own or similar to their own. That's why CNN got destroyed online.
It just seems like that micro-movement is "alt-right" because the mainstream Left is so authoritarian that everything they do is naturally against the senses of the new counterculture.
4Chan/8Chan aren't alt-right or even pro-Trump even though we had liberals in here and everywhere else insisting they were.
Let's be upfront then. You are a sympathizer of Charles C. Johnson and Andrew Anglin, two white supremacists who advocate "taking out" their opponents and then lacking the guts to stand behind their words, make the disingenuous claim that taking out = journalism. Journalists 'expose" what's really going on in any given situation. They do "investigative reporting," and so forth and so on. Even Fox which surely sets the lowest bar ever for news reporting, doesn't state that they are going to "take out" Bernie or Hillary.
Fox News, the darling of every con ever born went on air in October of 1996. We are now in 2017 (in case you haven't noticed). Fox has been spreading lies and America's Funniest Home Videos, pretending these things are actually "news" for over 21 years now. What you are saying is that for the last 21 years you have existed solely on a diet of Fox and probably Rush Limbaugh. You live in an alternative reality - you and the approx 30 - 40 million other Americans who make up Trump's core. In the mid-20th century, there were 3 networks and cable had not yet been invented. People mostly listened to that evilest of human beings - Walter Cronkite. I used to have nightmares about him myself when I was a child.
I am not given to being terrified of any of the media attempting to crack any so-called whips. True, I have a very strong dislike of the "The Daily Stormer" and others of its ilk. However, so long as we have a free society as guaranteed by the Constitution, I am not terrified of these rags that pander to a right so extreme that it makes Hitler look like a pu$$y cat.
I'm sure that you do have "thousands" of followers - so did Ted Kozinski. According to City Data, I have over 3 million readers, myself. However, I am unimpressed by my own statistics, never mind yours. By your own admission, you have become a very isolated and highly partisan individual who only watches things on YouTube that you agree with now that the coast is clear for you to do so. What a damning description of your right wing new "counter-culture." I'll pass along with the majority of other Americans who still have their own moral compass and the ability to think for themselves.
The two quotes are from the ny times and hunter wallace, that why I put them in quote marks. Nobody "quotes" themselves and things they once said unless they are really arrogant pricks who quote themselves at cocktail parties.
Not every right winger is an ethnic nationalist either, there is a huge debate between civic nationalists and ethnic nationalists on the right.
There are tons of people from various races on the right wing and there are white nationalists as well, even the white nationalists are forming alliances with black nationalists, alot of right wing blacks ,black muslims, etc. dont like and have never liked the manipulative, dishonest and self serving white left
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