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Old 07-10-2017, 11:26 AM
 
Location: PSL
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So you're asking unarmed EMT's to do it? Makes sense .
Nope. I'm asking EMTS and LEOs not to respond.

Junkies made their bed. They can lay in it.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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I know what you mean. It just seems unfair that there is a quick fix available to someone with an overdose that they did to themselves, but so many other unfortunate medical emergencies have no quick fix or no fix at all. Lucky junkie, the policeman can save you with one stick of a needle so you don't die this time.
That is just the unfortunate medical reality. Doesn't mean you stop saving people when you have the means and ability to.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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Nope. I'm asking EMTS and LEOs not to respond.

Junkies made their bed. They can lay in it.
Again, slippery slope.


Are you the type of person to drive past a car accident because you assume they asked for it because they passed you 10 miles back?


Besides the fact that many of these "junkies" started on legally prescribed medication. Are you going to go after the source?


Get off your high horse.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:36 AM
 
Location: CT
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It's not that the police are saving the life of a drug addict, but if you're going to require them to carry life saving drugs for an addict why not epi pens for kids with allergies, or nitro for someone in cardiac distress, or glucose tablets for diabetics?
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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It's not that the police are saving the life of a drug addict, but if you're going to require them to carry life saving drugs for an addict why not epi pens for kids with allergies, or nitro for someone in cardiac distress, or glucose tablets for diabetics?
Do they not already? If not I would say that it would be a good idea for cops to carry life saving medication for the most common things they are likely to encounter. Especially seeing as how cops would often be the first one on the scene. I would think it would be a great idea for them to have a kit with nitro/narcan/epi pen/insulin/adrenaline/defibrilators and more in the trunk of their car.

But first, you need to establish that they do not have access to epi pens/etc which thus far I have not seen anyone do. I don't understand why this has to be viewed as a zero sum game.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:41 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Again, slippery slope.


Are you the type of person to drive past a car accident because you assume they asked for it because they passed you 10 miles back?


Besides the fact that many of these "junkies" started on legally prescribed medication. Are you going to go after the source?


Get off your high horse.
LOL you can't equate someone who passed you on the highway to a junkie.
No way does that make any remote sense in reality. Maybe in a liberal utopia it does...

Won't make a bit of difference if it's pills, heroin, alcohol.
They made a clear conscious decision to partake. They have no excuse. They can say no to any substance.

Makes no bit of difference what the substance is. You can say no. I have. I was given prescriptions for pain meds, ask what they are, nope. No thanks. If Tylenol or advil doesn't work I don't want it.

Once was administered morphine never again. How the hell someone can get hooked on morphine... Oh that was horrible... tingly burning sensation, feeling like you just drank a handle of whiskey, weak and disorientated cotton mouth afterwards... Nope. F that.

I'll take the pain, not the pain killers. F that. Pain is temporary and can be ignored. Being incapacitated or limited by a substances effect is not fun. It's why I limit myself when I do drink. Hangovers aren't fun. Neither is loss of balance dizziness room spinning. Hate that crap.

What the medical field ought to do, is less narcotics for pain management for surgery and more nerve blocks. That would stop the opioid abuse Riki Tik
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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I'd say that was a rightful protest letter. Do you honestly believe he believes they would pay for them? If you say yes then you would be as nutty as you believe he is.


Now, back to the actual topic.



THAT'S RIDICULOUS!


Did the guy check his brains at the door? Let's see... officers carry an inexpensive overdose counteractive (there's no such thing as a drug antidote) or they don't and people die for no apparent reason? Hmmm Let me ponder thi.... NO you stupid idiot, carry the drugs!


Damn people everywhere are losing their frikkin minds!



Screw the Philippines (not really), how about simply doing the right thing?
Uh, the reason is that they took took too much of an illegal substance. And if it happens frequently, and they care to live, they can carry the kit themselves?

My brother is a paramedic, and he says at least 25% of their calls are to the same few drug addicts that get the drug over and over. Who pays for that drug? The taxpayer. Does the drug addict care? No. My brother agrees that the first time you do get the drug because mistakes happen. After that, it's a case of being too stupid to live.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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I bet you would feel differently if one of these addicts were your brother or sister. We forget that these people are just that, people. They are someone's dad, mom, sister, brother, friend, etc. Yes, they have a horrible addiction, and may never be clean again, but we are humans and so are they, so we have to at least be compassionate and TRY to save them, if possible.

"But for the grace of God go I". Not being addicted myself, it is hard to understand how they got this way, but that doesn't mean I just want to see all of them die for their mistakes.
Then let their families pay for the cost of the drug, over and over and over again, if it's that important to them. Or is it only compassionate if it's somebody else's money?
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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Say that when your son, or daughter, or mate, or lifelong friend is on the slab. With no tears.
I did say that when my brother was on the morgue after he drank himself to death. No tears.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Don't worry, T, no one expected you to show any humanity.
You pay for it then.

I would step over them and keep walking.
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