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View Poll Results: Should the Machine Gun Resistry be opened to include Machine Guns manufactured after May 1986
Yes the Machine Gun Resistry should be opened up to Machines made after May of 1986. 29 76.32%
No the Machine Gun Resistry should be remain closed Machines made after May of 1986. 6 15.79%
Yes But at an addition cost of say $1000 2 5.26%
Don't care either way. 3 7.89%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-14-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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I never disputed the fact the owning a fully Automatic rifle required special permits. I am not even indicated that those special permits be abolished, which I think they should be. This thread is about should the Machine Gun Registry, which is currently closed to any civilian ownership of a Machine Gun made after May of 1986, and to own one is illegal. Be opened to allow more modern Machine Guns to be purchased by civilians.
You may have a point, the few that own them is a very small number. I never like going full auto, which is waste of AMMO. 10 Minutes of full auto is good for me for a long time.


The Permit system has its positive and negatives. However Criminals seem not to care either way!
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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i think they should all be made illegal

Why, do you have any legal or logical justification on why Machine Guns, which are already very heavily regulated, and in most cases unless you have allot of money most people can not afford a Machine Gun; on why it should be illegal?
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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Why
Because guns are too dangerous relative to their social utility.

I would leave room for a narrow range of 12 and 20-gauge shotguns, double barrel, for hunting birds and small game. Ban all machine guns, handguns, rifles.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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You may have a point, the few that own them is a very small number. I never like going full auto, which is waste of AMMO. 10 Minutes of full auto is good for me for a long time.


The Permit system has its positive and negatives. However Criminals seem not to care either way!
And any person who is either converting a semi-automatic to full-automatic, or obtaining the newer Machine Gun are the ones breaking the law.


But you are correct, the Criminals won't care either way. It is the person trying to stay within the law that get's penalized.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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And any person who is either converting a semi-automatic to full-automatic, or obtaining the newer Machine Gun are the ones breaking the law.


But you are correct, the Criminals won't care either way. It is the person trying to stay within the law that get's penalized.
The other reason as far fetch it may be is if we were Invaded by the China on the West Coast. If you will a Red Dawn moment or if SA decided they are just going to overrun our Southern Boarder at any cost of life.


We are well aware of how SA would love to have open borders.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:18 PM
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Can someone explain the benefit of keeping the Machine Gun registry closed to machine guns manufactured after May of 1986, other than price.
It creates a finite amount of guns available which drives up the prices for collectors and dealers. Some light machine guns and full auto rifles command prices starting at about 7-8k up to 6 figures. Keep in mind that full auto weapons have a fairly short lifespan of use.

It benefits the wealthy who can afford such luxuries.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:23 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Because guns are too dangerous relative to their social utility.

I would leave room for a narrow range of 12 and 20-gauge shotguns, double barrel, for hunting birds and small game. Ban all machine guns, handguns, rifles.
Social utility-guns are not a social utility. I don't think you know what social utility means...

And shotguns are safer than rifles or pistols? I beg to differ.
1 12 gauge slug or even a 20 gauge slug or either with 00 shot will inflict worse damage than a 22 cal 5.56 or 30 cal rifle.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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i think they should all be made illegal

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Why, do you have any legal or logical justification on why Machine Guns, which are already very heavily regulated, and in most cases unless you have allot of money most people can not afford a Machine Gun; on why it should be illegal?

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Because guns are too dangerous relative to their social utility.

All gun can be dangerous especially if misused, but we have this little thing called the Second Amendment, So you will not able get all guns rendered illegal, unless you can get 34 states and a constitutional convention to change the constitution.


It has been done to amend the constitution but the Second Amendment is going to be one of the hardest one to change.


And to further answer your quote of a Gun being too dangerous the gun by itself, it can do nothing on it's own, it always requires a person to pull the trigger.


And when a person go nuts and starts shooting people, it almost always is another person with a gun to stop them
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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guns are not a social utility.
that's consistent with what i said.

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And shotguns are safer than rifles or pistols? I beg to differ.
1 12 gauge slug or even a 20 gauge slug or either with 00 shot will inflict worse damage than a 22 cal 5.56 or 30 cal rifle.
it's not about the damage, it's about only being able to fit 2 rounds into a double-barrel shotgun.

i'm on the fence about whether or not we should ban everything but birdshot.

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we have this little thing called the Second Amendment
yeah that oughta be repealed.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Guns aren't dangerous at all.
Idiots are. That's a fair both sides of the aisle assessment can agree on.

See one thing that's fascinated me about dems and the left.
They go after inanimate objects all of the time, for its "dangerous". There are tons of laws on the book that if enforced and upheld in court, this wouldn't be an issue.

Fact is as legal gun ownership is on the rise, crime is on the decline.
Chart of the day: More guns, less gun violence between 1993 and 2013 • AEI | Carpe Diem Blog » AEIdeas

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe.../#56c883bd3f7c

Forbes is about as unbiased as it gets...
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