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I looked into it per the ATF site. I'd have to buy/lease a shop, barred windows, vault for class 3 items only, and limited to sell to government agencies/police departments/military contracts or other class 3s. They don't have an in depth explanation pertaining to post 86 samples though, those are bountiful on some online listing sites. And from how I interpreted the SOT, it seems if you don't do enough business to justify the SOT they can pull your license and you have to destroy everything and document such.
How so?
Everything I enjoy for a hobby the government, be it federal or state, regulates/restricts.
2 stroke dirtbikes/atvs, firearms, building hotrods, building trucks (whether lifted or lowered)
I have 0 arrests, D.A.R.E. award winner-never touched drugs or ingested recreational drugs, had volunteered in both the clean up after Irene smoked the Catskills, and habitat for humanity building projects... For the most part I'm a model citizen.
I've had to get into pizzing matches with one type of law enforcement or another when I lived in NY when they'd try to write a ticket for a vehicle I owned. Whether snowmobile, lifted or lowered truck, whatever. All of those tickets were nonsense ways to generate revenue for the town/state. Nothing more or less.
That's what I love about Florida.
1. My windows are blacked out in my work Truck. I'm not bothered. NY would be a big time offense.
2. Can modify my vehicles however I want and will not be bothered.
3. Can own (short of class 3) any firearm/magazine I want.
So how would I be considered nuts other than I lack patience for stupidity and weakness? Because I have a different hobby than golf, or enjoy more than boring bolt actions and revolvers?
Just curious how you've arrived to the conclusion that we're nuts.
Just buy an M1 trigger sear and safety catch, drill the lower for the safety catch retaining pin, so the selector will go full auto.
Turn your AR-15 into a M-15
and your AR-10 into an M-1
I looked into it per the ATF site. I'd have to buy/lease a shop, barred windows, vault for class 3 items only, and limited to sell to government agencies/police departments/military contracts or other class 3s. They don't have an in depth explanation pertaining to post 86 samples though, those are bountiful on some online listing sites. And from how I interpreted the SOT, it seems if you don't do enough business to justify the SOT they can pull your license and you have to destroy everything and document such.
How so?
Everything I enjoy for a hobby the government, be it federal or state, regulates/restricts.
2 stroke dirtbikes/atvs, firearms, building hotrods, building trucks (whether lifted or lowered)
I have 0 arrests, D.A.R.E. award winner-never touched drugs or ingested recreational drugs, had volunteered in both the clean up after Irene smoked the Catskills, and habitat for humanity building projects... For the most part I'm a model citizen.
I've had to get into pizzing matches with one type of law enforcement or another when I lived in NY when they'd try to write a ticket for a vehicle I owned. Whether snowmobile, lifted or lowered truck, whatever. All of those tickets were nonsense ways to generate revenue for the town/state. Nothing more or less.
That's what I love about Florida.
1. My windows are blacked out in my work Truck. I'm not bothered. NY would be a big time offense.
2. Can modify my vehicles however I want and will not be bothered.
3. Can own (short of class 3) any firearm/magazine I want.
So how would I be considered nuts other than I lack patience for stupidity and weakness? Because I have a different hobby than golf, or enjoy more than boring bolt actions and revolvers?
Just curious how you've arrived to the conclusion that we're nuts.
The SOT was a Clinton money grab to drive the casual dealer out of the business. It's a niche business but when I obtained mine years ago the license is not predicated on who you sell to. I can sell anything to anyone as long as they pony up the $300 tax to process the paperwork through ATF. You must get a signature from your police chief or mayor or justice of the peace prior to filing the paperwork.
I have a safe bolted to the floor firerated to 1200 degrees F for storage in a basement with a secure door with no other access and guarded by the two meanest German Shepherds. ATF can do a compliance check without an appointment but they never leave the car or they would get torn to shreds by the dogs per the signage on the property. When they complain I tell them I am in compliance with their regulations.
Just buy an M1 trigger sear and safety catch, drill the lower for the safety catch retaining pin, so the selector will go full auto.
Turn your AR-15 into a M-15
and your AR-10 into an M-1
Yeah that's fine and dandy until the range officer asks for paperwork...
10 years 250k dollar fine
Yeah that's fine and dandy until the range officer asks for paperwork...
10 years 250k dollar fine
Most public ranges don't like full auto weapons as the tend to chew targets to pieces. I used to fire my Barrett .50 at a thousand yard Range at a hanging steel gong but was asked to stop as even at that range I was destroying the gongs.
The SOT was a Clinton money grab to drive the casual dealer out of the business. It's a niche business but when I obtained mine years ago the license is not predicated on who you sell to. I can sell anything to anyone as long as they pony up the $300 tax to process the paperwork through ATF. You must get a signature from your police chief or mayor or justice of the peace prior to filing the paperwork.
I have a safe bolted to the floor firerated to 1200 degrees F for storage in a basement with a secure door with no other access and guarded by the two meanest German Shepherds. ATF can do a compliance check without an appointment but they never leave the car or they would get torn to shreds by the dogs per the signage on the property. When they complain I tell them I am in compliance with their regulations.
so if anyone was approved they could send you a receiver to be converted? Or purchase a post 86 samples for private ownership? Then it's just a wait for ATF approval?
Most public ranges don't like full auto weapons as the tend to chew targets to pieces. I used to fire my Barrett .50 at a thousand yard Range at a hanging steel gong but was asked to stop as even at that range I was destroying the gongs.
The ones I go to that allow full auto and rent full auto even 50 Barret will allow you to do so only with their ammo. Indoor or outdoor. The MP5 they use frangible ammo for steel targets and the indoor range only allows frangible ammo in the MP5 or lead round nose or hollow points. Cheaper to do round nose but it's nothing fancy, white box federal training ammo.
The AK runs steel cased wolf/tula that's marked up for profit of course, M16 they have runs 223 hollow point, not 5.56 193 or 855, they claim the 223 is easier on the barrel despite it being a chrome lined barrel they replace barrels every 5k rounds in both M16 and AK Absolutely NO tracers. Fire hazard. Once in a while the outdoor range will break out a SAW.
The 50, they don't place steel targets, they cut 2x4s in half, and use a strip across the top and bottom, have cement pads with square holes, set the targets in the pads at 100-1000 yards in 50 yard intervals, and you shoot from an elevated pad so it's always downhill. Despite a mountain of sand that's 50 feet tall and about 30 feet deep in a U shape, wall to the left and right of the lane and backstop. They do have a rannge dedicated for steel and it's bring your own steel but they must approve it. Then they have one range dedicated for tannerite explosive targets, can also set plastic bottles with water only due to those bastard fireants... they have multiple ranges for IDPA etc. I like the simunition course, they have a few buildings a road, retired cop car, and a vehicle to pursue. Did a couple police scenarios that became very enlightening... 9mm and 40 feel like paintballs. 223/5.56 HURT.
I was seriously considering buying a Spikes 37 Havoc launcher, they sell the dummy rounds for them there, the aluminum round nose projectiles and the reloading components for 37mm shells. It's not considered a destructive device nor a firearm They even have illumination flares with parachutes and the socks filled with sand and the hornets nest-60 cal rubber BBs.
The current Poll counts, 22 in favor of opening up the Registry, 4 people are not, but only one person has even posted a negative comment, and that was a personal attack , and not a logical reason on why the Machine Gun Registry should remain closed.
Most people do not own a Automatic fire arm. It requires a special permit to own one. Failed Thread!
This an going conversation on gun control of law abiding citizens is annoying. There is plenty of laws and a few states like NY and California who Oppress Gun Owner ship.
Most people do not own a Automatic fire arm. It requires a special permit to own one. Failed Thread!
This an going conversation on gun control of law abiding citizens is annoying. There is plenty of laws and a few states like NY and California who Oppress Gun Owner ship.
I never disputed the fact the owning a fully Automatic rifle required special permits. I am not even indicated that those special permits be abolished, which I think they should be. This thread is about should the Machine Gun Registry, which is currently closed to any civilian ownership of a Machine Gun made after May of 1986, and to own one is illegal. Be opened to allow more modern Machine Guns to be purchased by civilians.
Can someone explain the benefit of keeping the Machine Gun registry closed to machine guns manufactured after May of 1986, other than price.
I can see with the limited number of Machine guns on the registry, that the surviving ones made prior to May of 1986 makes the price of them go way up. But is there any other benefit to it other than price?
After all one of the most dangerous parts of the firearm is the gun itself, Now the rate of fire is impacting. But it has already been shown, even on TV that a well trained person can shoot almost as fast as a machine gun can. Case in point an episode of American Guns, the gunsmiths made a lever action rifle for one of the fastest shooting young men in the country. The boy was about 14 or so, and already on the completion circuit. At the end one of the gunsmiths and the boy went head to head, the gunsmith had a fully automatic Uzi 9mm; and the boy had had his new rifle.
9 targets for each of them, the boy outshot the machine gun . He hit all 9 targets faster with a lever action rifle than the Uzi did.
At this point I am not suggesting that the National Firearms Act be repealed. Just allow the Machine Gun Registry to be opened to Machine Guns made after May of 1986
Also if voting no it would be helpful to have you explain in the thread as to why it should remain closed, thanks
i think they should all be made illegal
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They even have illumination flares with parachutes and the socks filled with sand and the hornets nest-60 cal rubber BBs.
, and not a logical reason on why the Machine Gun Registry should remain closed.
There is plenty of laws and a few states like NY and California who Oppress Gun Owner ship.
