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View Poll Results: Should the Machine Gun Resistry be opened to include Machine Guns manufactured after May 1986
Yes the Machine Gun Resistry should be opened up to Machines made after May of 1986. 17 80.95%
No the Machine Gun Resistry should be remain closed Machines made after May of 1986. 3 14.29%
Yes But at an addition cost of say $1000 1 4.76%
Don't care either way. 1 4.76%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-12-2017, 07:36 PM
 
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Can someone explain the benefit of keeping the Machine Gun registry closed to machine guns manufactured after May of 1986, other than price.


I can see with the limited number of Machine guns on the registry, that the surviving ones made prior to May of 1986 makes the price of them go way up. But is there any other benefit to it other than price?


After all one of the most dangerous parts of the firearm is the gun itself, Now the rate of fire is impacting. But it has already been shown, even on TV that a well trained person can shoot almost as fast as a machine gun can. Case in point an episode of American Guns, the gunsmiths made a lever action rifle for one of the fastest shooting young men in the country. The boy was about 14 or so, and already on the completion circuit. At the end one of the gunsmiths and the boy went head to head, the gunsmith had a fully automatic Uzi 9mm; and the boy had had his new rifle.


9 targets for each of them, the boy outshot the machine gun . He hit all 9 targets faster with a lever action rifle than the Uzi did.


Here is another example of an amazing shooter:

jerry miculik fastest revolver shooter in the world ipsc - YouTube


At this point I am not suggesting that the National Firearms Act be repealed. Just allow the Machine Gun Registry to be opened to Machine Guns made after May of 1986


Also if voting no it would be helpful to have you explain in the thread as to why it should remain closed, thanks

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Old 07-12-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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Absolutely and I'm glad someone else brought it up.

It's ridiculous if you fabricate something out of a piece of metal if near a firearm never mind installed can land 10 years in prison for constructive intent.

Can rent machine guns at shooting ranges. Or pay 10s of thousands of dollars for it plus a 200 dollar tax stamp.

Interestingly, in the report of the leaked ATF white pages, the director wants to remove suppressors off of the NFA list due to a back log increased amounts of States that allow them, and the fact it costs more money than they generate in revenue to process the paperwork for a suppressor.

Machine guns should be legal.

I'd love an MG42 convert an AR to an M16 platform. A Thompson too. It would be great fun at the range.
I'd have no qualms with it if any one else wanted a full auto whatever. Regardless of caliber or design.
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Banning silencers is/was a joke and only lib politicians believe it was a good thing. It doesn't silence squat. Morons.
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Suppressors are polite.
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/do...ulations/2325/

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Silencers: Current Federal law requires ATF to regulate silencers under the NFA. This
requires a Federal tax payment of $200 for transfers, ATF approval, and entry of the
silencer into a national NFA database. In the past several years, opinions about silencers
have changed across the United States. Their use to reduce noise at shooting ranges
and applications within the sporting and hunting industry are now well recognized.
At present, 42 states generally allow silencers to be used for sporting purposes. The
wide acceptance of silencers and corresponding changes in state laws have created
substantial demand across the country. This surge in demand has caused ATF
to have a significant backlog on silencer applications. ATF’s processing time is
now approximately 8 months. ATF has devoted substantial resources in attempts to reduce processing times, spending over $1 million annually in overtime and temporary duty expenses, and dedicating over 33 additional full-time and contract positions since 2011 to support NFA processing. Despite these efforts, NFA processing times are widely viewed by applicants and the industry as far too long, resulting in numerous complaints to Congress. Since silencers account for the vast majority of NFA applications, the most direct way to reduce processing times is to reduce the number of silencer applications. In light of the expanding demand and acceptance of silencers, however, that volume is unlikely to diminish unless they are removed from the NFA. While DOJ and ATF have historically not supported removal of items from the NFA, the change in public acceptance of silencers arguably indicates that the reason for their inclusion in the NFA is archaic and historical reluctance to removing them from the NFA should be reevaluated. ATF’s experience with the criminal use of silencers also supports reassessing their inclusion in the NFA. On average in the past 10 years, ATF has only recommended 44 defendants a year for prosecution on silencer-related violations; of those, only approximately 6 of the defendants had prior felony convictions. Moreover, consistent with this low number of prosecution referrals, silencers are very rarely used in criminal shootings. Given the lack of criminality associated with silencers, it is reasonable to conclude that they should not be viewed as a threat to public safety necessitating NFA classification, and should be considered for reclassification under the GCA.
Want to really laugh, there's that report on the shot spotter being so expensive and it's effectiveness being questionable... I read an article on Forbes on how much the system costs. Wasteful isn't the word.
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at a cost of $225,000, with an annual maintenance cost of $195,000.
Would be cheaper to hire more patrol officers... up front 225k yearly maintenance fee of 195k that's enough to hire 8 police officers at 52,500 for the first annual maintenance and installed vs a system that can be triggered via clapping 2 bricks together or firecrackers.

Then there was Trump's executive order that guarantees protection of every rifle.

I see nothing wrong with an entire repeal of the NFA
You want a short barreled rifle, a machine gun, a suppressor, short barreled shotgun have at it.

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Old 07-12-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: PSL
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The real kicker is that there are folks like this who propose legislation... when they have no clue what they're talking about...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=iJmFEv6BHM0

And wind up being trolled and made into the biggest laughing stock ever. Like this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=REdjjLBaiOs

Or this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRtll...ature=youtu.be
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
The real kicker is that there are folks like this who propose legislation... when they have no clue what they're talking about...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=iJmFEv6BHM0

And wind up being trolled and made into the biggest laughing stock ever. Like this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=REdjjLBaiOs

Or this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRtll...ature=youtu.be

Exactly and Jerry Miculik is most likely the fastest gunshot in the world, and he shoots so fast you would think he is firing a weapon that is fully automatic, but it is only semi-automatic. Or in other cases single action, and he can still fire it like it was fully automatic.

Lots, and Lots of training. And in some cases a few modifications, but to the same point, he was able to own those guns with only two forms of identification, and no $200 tax stamp, no need for a Trust to be setup, and able to own the firearm today, and not take week or months to get it, just to have the privilege of getting the firearm fully automatic, or select fire gun.
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:49 PM
 
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Banning silencers is/was a joke and only lib politicians believe it was a good thing. It doesn't silence squat. Morons.
You mean in this country. Ironically libs in other countries support suppressors for health and environmental reasons.
The trouble is that uniformed/ignorant/naive people believe the Hollywood depiction of suppressors being "silencers" that allow people to run around shooting people with nary a peep from the gun.
In reality, suppressors only reduce the noise of a firearm by approximately 30db, and that is not a lot with most guns that can produce 140db's.

Go to the range and you can feel actual pain (despite wearing quality or even double hearing protection) when certain calibers are being fired. Needless to say some countries require suppressor to protect peoples hearings, and noise pollution in the environment.

Watch this video at 2:17 and see that so called silencers are no such things. Sure an unsuppressed gun will be louder, but a suppressed gun is hardly "silenced" like in the Hollywood fake depictions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5MrC68udj8


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Old 07-12-2017, 09:51 PM
 
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Exactly and Jerry Miculik is most likely the fastest gunshot in the world, and he shoots so fast you would think he is firing a weapon that is fully automatic, but it is only semi-automatic. Or in other cases single action, and he can still fire it like it was fully automatic.

Lots, and Lots of training. And in some cases a few modifications, but to the same point, he was able to own those guns with only two forms of identification, and no $200 tax stamp, no need for a Trust to be setup, and able to own the firearm today, and not take week or months to get it, just to have the privilege of getting the firearm fully automatic, or select fire gun.
He makes a great muzzle brake for ARs! I used it on a 16 inch upper and transferred it to a 20 inch that I just built. No muzzle rise whatsoever. 38 dollars shipped too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=_Os0ATGET-o


I wanted to get Spikes R2. Maybe I still will that's only 65 or so shipped.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=xg0HErH42qQ
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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As indicated Suppressors should be completely removed from the National Firearms Act, and NO one yet has posted a valid reason that the Machine Gun Registry should remain closed.
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