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Old 07-16-2017, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Same here, we should put an end to all immigration until we have jobs for all of our people and care for all of our veterans, meanwhile in Europe they are finding migrants with tuberculosis that does not respond to any treatments.
woxy, unemployment is already 5% or below in most states, how much lower would be your threshold? Pretty much every able-bodied adult who wants a job can find one, and the rest are either disabled in one way or another or would rather collect government subsidies. There are already industries suffering due to the decline in immigration (due to both anti-immigration stances and improved economies in other countries).
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Old 07-16-2017, 05:34 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Oh, bless your heart... trump has never, ever, used the term "muslim ban" to describe it. Right?
No, he has not. Can you produce a quote referring to this Order that way?

And you can skip the patronizing language.
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Old 07-16-2017, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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No matter how hard these dirtbag liberal judges try, rest assured that the Trump admin has the door closed as tightly as possible and that we're now deporting illegals at an accelerated rate. Contrast that with what would be happening right now if Hillary would have been elected and we all can breathe a collective sigh of relief! Regardless of a few hurdles, we are cleaning house and we dodged a serious bullet by not electing Hillary!
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Old 07-16-2017, 07:20 AM
 
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No, he has not. Can you produce a quote referring to this Order that way?

And you can skip the patronizing language.
And, yet, he has specified Muslims as a target for banning from immigration...

May 9, 2017 from fox news: "text once under the heading of “DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT ON PREVENTING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION” had disappeared by Monday afternoon."

'Muslim ban' language scrubbed from Trump campaign website | Fox News

"along with impromptu televised statements about a Muslim ban made by President Trump, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and others, were enough to convince Judge Watson that though the word "Muslim" never appears in the executive order, the intention to ban Muslims is clear."

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/blocke...nt-presidency/
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Old 07-16-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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woxy, unemployment is already 5% or below in most states, how much lower would be your threshold? Pretty much every able-bodied adult who wants a job can find one, and the rest are either disabled in one way or another or would rather collect government subsidies. There are already industries suffering due to the decline in immigration (due to both anti-immigration stances and improved economies in other countries).
You have no idea what you are talking about. Those stats are thrown out there by those who want more cheap labor from immigration. Here in Calif. it is hard to find a good paying blue-collared job. They've all been taken by immigrants both legal and illegal who work cheaper. Many have just plain stopped looking for work and are now off unemployment so it influences the unemployment numbers. No, you have to be more than able bodied to get a job here you have to be willing to work for less than a liveable wage. There are no industries here suffering from any so-called decline in immigration or lack of American workers. Just employers looking for the cheapest workers they can find.
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Old 07-16-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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And, yet, he has specified Muslims as a target for banning from immigration...

May 9, 2017 from fox news: "text once under the heading of “DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT ON PREVENTING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION” had disappeared by Monday afternoon."

'Muslim ban' language scrubbed from Trump campaign website | Fox News

"along with impromptu televised statements about a Muslim ban made by President Trump, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and others, were enough to convince Judge Watson that though the word "Muslim" never appears in the executive order, the intention to ban Muslims is clear."

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/blocke...nt-presidency/

Intention? How does one know one's intentions if it's not in the wording? He has blocked those from known terrorists countries not Muslims per say. They are only blocked until they can be vetted more thoroughly.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And, yet, he has specified Muslims as a target for banning from immigration...

May 9, 2017 from fox news: "text once under the heading of “DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT ON PREVENTING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION” had disappeared by Monday afternoon."

'Muslim ban' language scrubbed from Trump campaign website | Fox News

"along with impromptu televised statements about a Muslim ban made by President Trump, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and others, were enough to convince Judge Watson that though the word "Muslim" never appears in the executive order, the intention to ban Muslims is clear."

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/blocke...nt-presidency/
The United States has the right to determine who is eligible for immigration and who isn't. Only those people who are a benefit to our society are eligible. Muslims in general are not a "target" but radical Islamists, because of the danger they pose to our society are necessarily targeted. This is the way our country has conducted our immigration policy from the time of our founding. It is highly doubtful that those from the Barbary Coast would have been allowed to immigrate. Countries that are known to be active in Jihad (not Linda Sarsour's definition of "jihad") are necessarily targeted. Any immigration policy that does not take into consideration the country of origin would be foolish.

If you do not think that Muslims from some countries pose a greater threat than others, you are living in another universe, and do not know history.

Lawyers have argued that this Court/Judge acted improperly by going outside the actual text of the Document (the E.O.) in its opinion on the "travel ban." The Court's opinion must be based on the actual content of the document, not something uttered during a heated campaign. One has nothing to do with the other, and the candidate on many occasions made it clear he was talking about the free flow of "radical Islamists" into this country with no "vetting" to find out who they are. One cannot assume a meaning other than what is actually stated in the document itself.

Finally, the U.S. Supreme Court has already issued an opinion and allowed the "ban" to go into effect. Therefore this judge is bucking the Supreme Court, which is a higher authority, which the lower court has no Constitutional power to overrule.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Intention? How does one know one's intentions if it's not in the wording? He has blocked those from known terrorists countries not Muslims per say. They are only blocked until they can be vetted more thoroughly.
Kat is merely parroting what is being published in the radical Left-wing media (CNN, MSNBC, et al.)

There is no original thinking going on here. These people do not know how to think. They can only repeat what they've been told.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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Why should all these far relationships be included. What about the burden for the US of letting elderly people who don't speak the language and are more costly to our society! Let them be helped in neighboring countries where they speak the same language.
Grandparents are a far relationship? Don't dare post this on the Retirement Forum. Protocol at Funeral; Spouse, Children, and GRANDCHILDREN. All other relatives after those.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: FL
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No, President Trump did not. When he issued the Order, he never even mentioned "Muslim" or
Islam" and neither does the Order itself. What's said on the campaign trail is rhetoric, not policy. You people whine every time Hillary's statements are brought up, but treat Trump differently.

It wasn't "his 90 days," and the 90 days starts when the travel ban becomes effective, which has been just recently. That the first Order was issued many months ago is irrelevant.

The Democrat Party today is Freedom's worst enemy. You don't care who comes across our borders. You don't care what their background is; in fact, you don't even want to ask. If this keeps up, and we don't get control of our immigration policy, we're going to be looking just like Germany in a few years. There is no requirement in the Constitution that we accept "refugees." No one has a right to our generosity and our kindness. The right to the largesse of the American people does not belong to foreigners. And it certainly does not belong to a class of people who wish to come here, not to become Americans, but to do us harm. And lastly, some rogue judge does not have the authority to overturn (usurp) the President's Constitutional Order, nor the Supreme Court's decision. Let that sink in.

Quit forming your opinions from "The View," "The Rachel Madcow Show" (clown show), "Morning Joke," and CNN (Anderson Pooper, Wolfman Blitzer, et al.).

Your knowledge of our system of government is lacking. The Judicial Branch was the Branch most feared by our Framers, and that's why it was purposely made the branch with the least power (they are not three "co-equal" branches).

Thomas Jefferson stated: "The greatest object of my fear is the Federal Judiciary." This case is exactly what he was talking about.
You should read the rulings.
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