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Old 11-24-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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Isn't the internet itself already closed off? Google doesn't have competition. Facebook doesn't. This is why net neutrality proponents call for them to be regulated.

 
Old 11-24-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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This is why net neutrality proponents call for them to be regulated.
You certainly are not going to hear that from me and NN insures you will get equal access to those sites and services.
 
Old 11-24-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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Isn't the internet itself already closed off?
You can start your own website for about $5 a month, do a little research on Drupal for website. You could literally have one fully online in minutes if you knew what you were doing. The only limitation on the delivery of your content under NN will be what you are paying on your end. If you have the budget and can come up with something better you can compete with Facebook on a completely even playing field as far as the conecttivity of your site.

Without NN the ISP can favor Facebook over your site.
 
Old 11-24-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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You can start your own website for about $5 a month, do a little research on Drupal for website. You could literally have one fully online in minutes if you knew what you were doing. The only limitation on the delivery of your content under NN will be what you are paying on your end. If you have the budget and can come up with something better you can compete with Facebook on a completely even playing field as far as the conecttivity of your site.

Without NN the ISP can favor Facebook over your site.
Okay. But what about the free rider problem? Netflix subscribers strain capacity for non subscribers. Shouldn't subscribers pay more for better streaming?
 
Old 11-24-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Okay. But what about the free rider problem? Netflix subscribers strain capacity for non subscribers. Shouldn't subscribers pay more for better streaming?
There is no free rider, the web site which is on a computer not much different than the one sitting in front of you is connected to the internet typically at a data center. They pay for the bandwidth required to operate that site. On the other end the consumer pays the ISP for the bandwidth they consume.

If your website gets popular and you need more bandwidth you will have to pay for that. If the consumer is using more bandwidth the ISP can charge them for it. The only thing they can't do is charge the consumer more because of the source.

To reiterate again, there is no limitations on the tiers or pricing for what an ISP can charge consumers under NN. the only stipulation to that is the consumer gets equal access to any site or service.
 
Old 11-24-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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Okay. But what about the free rider problem? Netflix subscribers strain capacity for non subscribers. Shouldn't subscribers pay more for better streaming?
no
 
Old 11-24-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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no
What do you mean no? If I fill up my bathtub and you fill up your pool shouldn't you pay more?

If you think NN somehow allows you to pay the same amount you are mistaken. This is the biggest misunderstanding about NN, NN does not preclude the ISP from charging their customers for what they use.
 
Old 11-24-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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You really don't know what net neutrality means, do you?
The "baloney" response is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to anything that happened during obama's administration. If it happened then, it has to be bad, according to some.
 
Old 11-24-2017, 09:09 AM
 
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What do you mean no? If I fill up my bathtub and you fill up your pool shouldn't you pay more?

If you think NN somehow allows you to pay the same amount you are mistaken. This is the biggest misunderstanding about NN, NN does not preclude the ISP from charging their customers for what they use.
I understand what you are saying, but was the poster talking about limits to speed, or limits to max gigs that you can download? I know they can set limits for how much data you use, that is allowable but getting rid of NN would allow speed caps as well, right? My issue is that if AT&T forms a partnership with another video streaming service, like Amazon prime they could slow down Netflix in order to push people toward Prime
 
Old 11-24-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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So? Go to another ISP.
clearly, you don't live in a rural area with little/no choice in ISPs.
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