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View Poll Results: Allow ERs to turn away patients if they don't have the means to pay up front, regardless of their co
Yes 13 12.04%
No 95 87.96%
Voters: 108. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-16-2017, 11:36 AM
 
Location: London
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Poll title got cut off. It should say, "regardless of condition?"

If Obamacare ends up getting repealed, more people who cannot afford healthcare as a result will inevitably turn to ERs whenever possible, since by law they are required to not request payment up front. This could flood the ERs with people who can't pay.

To avoid that, should the law demanding that ERs provide service to everyone regardless of ability to pay be repealed along with Obamacare?
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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Nobody should ever be turned away from ER (in theory).

Though I realized after actually needing to visit the ER how abused it is. I had a genuine life/death situation when I went and still was like three hours before I got treated.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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Depends. A true emergency? No. A fever of 99 degrees or other stuff that belongs at a regular doctor's office or an urgent care place? Yes.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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Poll title got cut off. It should say, "regardless of condition?"

If Obamacare ends up getting repealed, more people who cannot afford healthcare as a result will inevitably turn to ERs whenever possible, since by law they are required to not request payment up front. This could flood the ERs with people who can't pay.

To avoid that, should the law demanding that ERs provide service to everyone regardless of ability to pay be repealed along with Obamacare?
Millions like me lost our healthcare insurance because of ACA. What about us?
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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Missouri added a huge burden to the ERs when the made cold and flu meds prescription only. Those without insurance are going to the ER to get a prescription.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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Ronald Reagan enacted the law the requires ER to treat patients. There were lots of people that were too ill to prove they could pay, and those people needed treatment asap to save their life. Such as people that were in car accidents or had heart attacks and couldn't talk and didn't have their insurance cards in their wallets.

How about someone that nearly drowned at the beach. They don't have any ID on them when they are hauled away in an ambulance. Do you let them die because they don't have their ID in their swim suit? Or someone that got hit by a car while jogging and they only had their house key and their iphone in their possession. Do you refuse their healthcare because they can't prove they can pay (no wallet) while their brain is bleeding and they are unconscious?

Besides, someone could be in a car accident and the other person is at fault. Even if the injured person doesn't have health insurance, the at-fault person's insurance might eventually pay the hospital bill. But there is no proof yet since the claim didn't even get filed with the auto insurance company yet because the accident just occurred 10 minutes prior. Do you leave the injured person in their car until the auto insurance company agrees to payment 2 weeks later? Impossible to do this because the injured person might be dead by then.

How about workers comp insurance claims where the person is injured while on-the-job - and the workers comp carrier pays all the bills. The injured worked doesn't have 'proof of payment' at the time of injury. Even if the injured worker doesn't have health insurance, it's the workers comp company that owes the bills. But the claim has to be reported and approved before the workers comp company agrees to pay. The person needs to be hospitalized before the approval takes place, because it's an emergency.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Depends. A true emergency? No. A fever of 99 degrees or other stuff that belongs at a regular doctor's office or an urgent care place? Yes.

Agree. 99% of people do NOT have a true emergency in the ER.

To some (esp those without insurance) it's a doctor's office.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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Nobody should ever be turned away from ER (in theory).

Though I realized after actually needing to visit the ER how abused it is. I had a genuine life/death situation when I went and still was like three hours before I got treated.
Say what?
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Poll title got cut off. It should say, "regardless of condition?"

If Obamacare ends up getting repealed, more people who cannot afford healthcare as a result will inevitably turn to ERs whenever possible, since by law they are required to not request payment up front. This could flood the ERs with people who can't pay.

The ERs are still flooded with people who can't pay. Medicaid coverage is preventative care only. Anyone on it who has an emergency medical need of any kind are directed to go to the ER. Also, the free clinics that service Medicaid only see a patient for any single condition at a time. So, let's say you have the flu and a pain in your back, they will only check one or the other in a single visit. The patient would have to make two appointments (usually weeks or months apart). At least that's the way it is here in CA.

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Nobody should ever be turned away from ER (in theory).

Though I realized after actually needing to visit the ER how abused it is. I had a genuine life/death situation when I went and still was like three hours before I got treated.
Lucky you... my wife had a life or death situation and it literally took 19 hours before they actually treated her. She required 3 units of blood to stabilize her.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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Goodness, what a stupid question. I can just imagine someone who is not even conscious, life or death issue, and everyone is fumbling around trying to determine if this person has the means to pay or not; not a country I would want to live in for sure.
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