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Old 07-18-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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Not if it would get those jobs lost back here where they belong.

You wouldn't of posted that if you were one that lost a job.

I was going to say queue the "you should have gained some skills, education " rhetoric, but the very next post was exactly that...SMH. It would be funny , except the people that look down their noses at those that have lost their careers really believe their BS.

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If I had lost my job, I would have either gained more skills via education OR moved to an area where there were jobs. trump voters who lost jobs were happy to stay home and drink no-brand beer and watch reality TV while they drew ever-extended jobless benefits, rather than face reality and go out and DO something to change the course of their lives. They are overwhelmingly lazy and self-pitying.

You do realize it isn't just assembly line work that has been sent abroad , right ?


Engineers, designers, programmers...etc. All have lost jobs due to globalization. Gee, one would think an engineering degree just might be enough education...
Offshoring ensures loss of good U.S. jobs


What do you tell the electrical engineer that has maybe 5-10 years in the job force before he retires that just lost his job to an H1B visa worker, just because he is cheaper ? Oh , so sorry about your luck , you should have gained more skills and or education. Be prepared to uproot your family and move to who knows where to start all over again. Kiss what you've prepared for (retirement) your whole career good bye and work another 20 years.
What STEM shortage? Electrical engineering lost 35,000 jobs last year | Computerworld


Look what has happened to the Tool and Die, and Mold industry in this country, or what is left of it after losing the majority of it to China. It's on life support because many did do what you suggest and turned their backs on a supposedly "dead" industry.
https://manufacturingstories.com/too...industry-week/


Look at the growth of this industry in China...and we just handed it all over.
Mould and Die Industry Report China And Global Region 2013-2015 Industry Shares, Size, Trend,


Now that I'm done with that rant, I do understand that those in the job market and even those with jobs currently have to think much differently than before. You have to find something marketable and continue to always be marketable. Keep your mind open to following where the work is. It just isn't always as easy dothetwist states, and that type of condescending attitude just really gets me going. I guess I've just watched too many skilled , educated and talented people get escorted out of the office in the past 18-20 years, since offshoring hit my profession.
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Is this another clown thread or is there a list of priorities to be discussed ?
Summary of Objectivess for the NAFTA Renegotiation Monday,July17,2017 - PDF

USTR Releases NAFTA Negotiating Objectives
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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Trump administration reveals goals ahead of NAFTA talks with Canada, Mexico - Politics - CBC News

Canadian view:

"In an 18-page summary released Monday, the USTR outlines how the U.S. will seek to eliminate NAFTA's Chapter 19 dispute resolution panels. Canada uses these to appeal duties on things like softwood lumber, and the elimination of the panels was perceived as a potential red line for Canadian negotiators heading into the talks, expected to begin Aug. 17.

American negotiators also want to exempt local and state governments from having to open up government contracts to Canadian and Mexican firms.

"My initial take is a sense of relief, because what I see is traditional trade policy language using the existing rules of the road in ways that Canadian negotiators can deal with," Laura Dawson, the director for the Canada Institute at the Wilson Center, told CBC News Network's Power & Politics.

But eliminating Chapter 19 dispute panels "is a major red-line issue for Canada," she said, pointing out it's the same issue that almost brought down the Canada-U.S. free trade negotiations in the late '80s.
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Canada
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U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $627.8 billion in 2016. Exports were $320.1 billion; imports were $307.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $12.5 billion in 2016.
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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The main concern of Mexico and Canada to these objectives is the removal of Chapter 19 dispute resolution panels, making it harder to challenge percieved US violations of the agreement.
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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"Living next to the US is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt." - Pierre Trudeau
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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I was going to say queue the "you should have gained some skills, education " rhetoric, but the very next post was exactly that...SMH. It would be funny , except the people that look down their noses at those that have lost their careers really believe their BS.




You do realize it isn't just assembly line work that has been sent abroad , right ?


Engineers, designers, programmers...etc. All have lost jobs due to globalization. Gee, one would think an engineering degree just might be enough education...
Offshoring ensures loss of good U.S. jobs


What do you tell the electrical engineer that has maybe 5-10 years in the job force before he retires that just lost his job to an H1B visa worker, just because he is cheaper ? Oh , so sorry about your luck , you should have gained more skills and or education. Be prepared to uproot your family and move to who knows where to start all over again. Kiss what you've prepared for (retirement) your whole career good bye and work another 20 years.
What STEM shortage? Electrical engineering lost 35,000 jobs last year | Computerworld


Look what has happened to the Tool and Die, and Mold industry in this country, or what is left of it after losing the majority of it to China. It's on life support because many did do what you suggest and turned their backs on a supposedly "dead" industry.
https://manufacturingstories.com/too...industry-week/


Look at the growth of this industry in China...and we just handed it all over.
Mould and Die Industry Report China And Global Region 2013-2015 Industry Shares, Size, Trend,


Now that I'm done with that rant, I do understand that those in the job market and even those with jobs currently have to think much differently than before. You have to find something marketable and continue to always be marketable. Keep your mind open to following where the work is. It just isn't always as easy dothetwist states, and that type of condescending attitude just really gets me going. I guess I've just watched too many skilled , educated and talented people get escorted out of the office in the past 18-20 years, since offshoring hit my profession.

The poster you are replying is just making disgusting remarks about Americans. Most are not lazy and do want to work. It wasn't their fault that they lost their blue-collared jobs that they loved to do via outsourcing and illegal immigration. He acts like all they have to do is go out and find a decent paying job and it will be there for them. That's totally not true! People like him or her make me sick with their anti-American, uncalled for remarks and demonizing of the American worker!
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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They are stupid. But it was YUUUUGE in trump stump speeches. His followers lapped it up. What say them now???
What say you in regards to GITMO never being closed by Obama when that was a YUUUUGE part of his plaform?
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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What say you in regards to GITMO never being closed by Obama when that was a YUUUUGE part of his plaform?
He should have closed it. Nice pivot attempt
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Old 07-18-2017, 11:42 AM
 
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I was going to say queue the "you should have gained some skills, education " rhetoric, but the very next post was exactly that...SMH. It would be funny , except the people that look down their noses at those that have lost their careers really believe their BS.




You do realize it isn't just assembly line work that has been sent abroad , right ?


Engineers, designers, programmers...etc. All have lost jobs due to globalization. Gee, one would think an engineering degree just might be enough education...
Offshoring ensures loss of good U.S. jobs


What do you tell the electrical engineer that has maybe 5-10 years in the job force before he retires that just lost his job to an H1B visa worker, just because he is cheaper ? Oh , so sorry about your luck , you should have gained more skills and or education. Be prepared to uproot your family and move to who knows where to start all over again. Kiss what you've prepared for (retirement) your whole career good bye and work another 20 years.
What STEM shortage? Electrical engineering lost 35,000 jobs last year | Computerworld


Look what has happened to the Tool and Die, and Mold industry in this country, or what is left of it after losing the majority of it to China. It's on life support because many did do what you suggest and turned their backs on a supposedly "dead" industry.
https://manufacturingstories.com/too...industry-week/


Look at the growth of this industry in China...and we just handed it all over.
Mould and Die Industry Report China And Global Region 2013-2015 Industry Shares, Size, Trend,


Now that I'm done with that rant, I do understand that those in the job market and even those with jobs currently have to think much differently than before. You have to find something marketable and continue to always be marketable. Keep your mind open to following where the work is. It just isn't always as easy dothetwist states, and that type of condescending attitude just really gets me going. I guess I've just watched too many skilled , educated and talented people get escorted out of the office in the past 18-20 years, since offshoring hit my profession.




China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan all account for more than 40% world population and produce millions of engineers every year and they are DEBT FREE. so their fares are cheap compared to the needs of a engineer from USA University with a monster load of Debt. This is competence.
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