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"Maybe she did something to deserve getting shot. White women need to learn how to listen to authorities"
"If she complied and obeyed the law, she'd still be alive..."
"Why don't white people address the problems in their communities with white-on-white crime?"
You do know that SHE is the one who called 911 because she heard noises behind her home... right? She was in her bathrobe, and the officer shot her from the passenger seat. They had their body cams turned off. Convenient.
This isn't a white/black thing, this is a bad cop with a gun thing.
You are right it does have to do with his culture - AMERICAN culture, the culture of lust for violence and firearms and murder. There are plenty of these people becoming police officers, they are drawn to the power and control - we don't make any attempt to identify them, rather it seems the police departments value these traits.
Partially accurate. But lacking objectively. Police depts are hiring a large number of former soldiers. Mostly multiple tour forward deployed combat veterans. So it's obvious that experience in combat is a trait being identified and sought after. I disagree that there is a lust for violence and a desire to gun up and jump into the fray that is in ate with most Americans. And I say this as a firearms owner and one who does carry a firearm. Being armed is to actively avoid confrontation. Armed citizens have proven over and over that they are far less likely to use their weapons than the police.
Training programs for citizens are concentrating heavily on avoidance of conflict, defusing of situations, use of proper judgement, and judicious exercise of restraint. Earlier in the thread I described a training situation we employed in our both our citizen and LE defensive courses that we called Kobayashi Maru. After the fictional no win training scenerio in Star Trek. Many other organizations are using similar methodology. Far from advocating that people go immediately to their weapon, even in circumstances that warrant doing so, the point is to drive home that it's not a universal answer.
It is an unpopular part of the class for LE personnel. It conflicts with the current LE mindset. There is no widespread "lust for violence and firearms" among American citizens. However LE has been gearing to an ever increasing attitude of lethal force as a go to method. Things that would not have even justified drawing their weapons in the past are reason to lay down suppressive fire now. A mere perception of a possible threat can result in someone being killed. The opposite applies to armed citizens. And contrary to some statements made here the former is NOT what we citizens desire from the police nor is it a standard we wish applied in any facet of self defense.
Being armed does not reflect a burning desire to use that means. My personal take, and that of a huge number of others is that the resurrection for application of lethal force need to apply across the board. For both citizens and LE peronnel. As it stands there are two separate and distinct sets of rules. One advocates proper restraint and consequences for not doing so. One does not require such restraint and little worry as to consequences. To me the choice is clear.
A shame but it seems like it might have been an accident. Cops are human, and firearm accidents are not a rare occurrence, not common either. As with all these victim, I hope her family gets support. Sad.
The ratio of accidents seems to be small compared to successes. Nothing is perfect.
I'll be curious to hear more details as the case continues.
The media is often off, and just searching for a headline. They don't have access to anything more than what they can get from bystanders or reported information. They do love to spin whatever they have. I know this from experience and was quite shocked at how insensitive and manipulative they can be to get the story.
The Mohammed has the best cop attorney already and the Somali community all ready to scream racism. No way he does a day in jail for this. He might even get to keep his job, hell maybe get a promotion.
A shame but it seems like it might have been an accident. Cops are human, and firearm accidents are not a rare occurrence, not common either. As with all these victim, I hope her family gets support. Sad.
The ratio of accidents seems to be small compared to successes. Nothing is perfect.
I'll be curious to hear more details as the case continues.
The media is often off, and just searching for a headline. They don't have access to anything more than what they can get from bystanders or reported information. They do love to spin whatever they have. I know this from experience and was quite shocked at how insensitive and manipulative they can be to get the story.
"Accident ?" Unintentional. ...maybe. But caused by gross neligence irregardless. The very least he should see is MA slaughter charges.
This is basically the standard that has been in place for other officers who killed unarmed people.
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger
The Mohammed has the best cop attorney already and the Somali community all ready to scream racism. No way he does a day in jail for this. He might even get to keep his job, hell maybe get a promotion.
It sounds like an unintentional discharge from mishandling a weapon. She is standing next to the driver door and Noor is seated in the passenger seat. The bullet goes through the driver door and hits her. This tells me the pistol is low near his lap and he is not aiming at all. It is a tragedy and we need more information.
Yes we do, and let's hope that it was just an accident.
But something is telling me that there is a bigger problem with this particular case.
When I first heard that it was a "Black policeman" who did it, quite honestly I've had hard time picturing your regular American-born Black cop pulling something like this.
But reading the following -
"he came to the U.S. at a young age and that he believes being a police officer is his calling"
and THEN
" The lawsuit claims Noor and the other officers violated the woman's rights when they entered her home without her permission and Noor grabbed her wrist and upper arm" - this raises a red flag for me.
This "calling" of "being a police officer" can have a different meaning in a Somali head.
So let's hope that it was just an accident.
Because if it was NOT an accident, the police department in Minneapolis missed already a couple of red flags when it comes to this particular person.
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