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Old 07-19-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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Trump has nothing to do with this. It is the responsibility of the Congress to present a bill for him to sign. President Trump has never threatened to veto anything.
As the head of his party it is up to the president to lead. But Trump has zero leadership skills and is incapable of leading his party. He's got nothing to add to the crafting of the legislation because he has no ideas that go any deeper than the talking points whose sole purpose was to get cheers at his rallies.

So Congress has little choice but to largely ignore him and try to get all the cats herded in one direction so they can slap something on Trump's desk to sign. Holding up his signature proudly for the cameras is about the sum of Trump's capabities.
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The man (Trump) wants to be a 'winner'. He will sign anything they do so he can call it a win. The heavy lifting is done in the houses of Congress. It is literally beyond Mr Trump's ability to contribute to this endeavor in any meaningful way.


Mr Trump is not really concerned about good legislation, or taking care of the citizenry, he cares about Donald Trump. He wants congress to hand him something he can take credit for.

Trump campaigned on repeal/ replace with something that would take care of everybody. It was going to be easy. There was no plan or intention to create a plan.

Once elected, he said "healthcare is complicated".

Trump paid lip service to House Bill 1.0. It failed.

Trump paid lip service to House Bill 2.0. It passed and was celebrated in the Rose Garden. This is what winning feels like and all that.

Trump tells Senate the House Bill 2.0 is mean.

Senate excludes Democrats while they craft a Senate bill.

Trump pays Senate bill lip service and makes clear he is ready to sign.

Senate bill fails to get the votes.

Trump encourages a standalone repeal with intention to figure out a replacement down the road.

Trump tweets he is not responsible for failure of Obamacare.

In 2013, in criticism of Obama, Trump tweeted:

" Leadership: whatever happens, you're responsible. Whatever does not happen, you're responsible"

Most people continue to be insured via their employer's subsidized plans as they have been for many decades.

About 9% of people are in the Individual Plan Market. The healthcare insurance market has been contracting for more than 25 years through mergers/ acquisistions. Insurers have been exiting the Individual Plan Market in droves for more than 25 years. It's never been a profitable niche with the exception of junk plans.

When a state found themselves facing the prospect of a lack of insurers in their market well before the ACA, some states began to subsidize insurers or made insurer's ability to sell lucrative large group plans and Supplimental Medicare Plans conditional on remaining in the Individual Plan Market.

Are the people in the Individual Plan market sicker or older than employees covered by their employer's large group plans? Is there a geographical distortion?
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Or run away like the coward he is when the fallout begins, like he did with the House's healthcare bill. He threw a kegger in the Rose Garden to celebrate his "great win" but when the CBO scoring and the negative fallout from what the bill actually contained began he suddenly did a 180 and suddenly his "great win" of a bill became "mean."

Trump will take 100% credit for everything he deems to be good and ZERO responsibility for anything not good, even if what is now "bad" was previously declared "good" by him just days earlier. He has no moral center whatsoever.
This is the guy who, during a televised Fox News sponsored debate, said " American workers make too much".

A day later on Fox News, he denied he said it. You know, fake news and all that.

It remains unclear to me if he consistently has no recollection what he previously said/ tweeted or, when faced with an uncomfortable situation relies on denial and blame.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This is the problem. It was so much easier for Trump to go from rally to rally, shooting off his stupid mouth, than to actually govern.

Talk is cheap, eh Trumpettes?
Trump is due for another rally to pump himself up cause the job can be a real drag.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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The man (Trump) wants to be a 'winner'. He will sign anything they do so he can call it a win. The heavy lifting is done in the houses of Congress. It is literally beyond Mr Trump's ability to contribute to this endeavor in any meaningful way.


Mr Trump is not really concerned about good legislation, or taking care of the citizenry, he cares about Donald Trump. He wants congress to hand him something he can take credit for.
One of the best posts I've seen in a while. So true.

Donald is all about himself.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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This is the guy who, during a televised Fox News sponsored debate, said " American workers make too much".

A day later on Fox News, he denied he said it. You know, fake news and all that.

It remains unclear to me if he consistently has no recollection what he previously said/ tweeted or, when faced with an uncomfortable situation relies on denial and blame.
He is also the guy who retweeted a tweet from a Neo-Nazi site that had falsified statistics about Black crime, which also listed a source that doesn't exist. Then he went and said "I don't check my sources". Anyone who doesn't check their sources scares me.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And this is why Trump is not going to ever get tired of winning--because he will continue to fail.

He will always be a real estate developer/reality show host that never understood the office of president.

Excellent insight into Trump motivation.

"...President Donald Trump was enjoying a steak in the White House on Monday night, apparently unaware that the Senate's effort to replace Obamacare was imploding.

"If we don't do this we're in trouble," Trump told his dinner guests, according to Politico's Josh Dawsey. “We have the Senate, House and White House, and we have to do it or we’re going to look terrible...”

...An obsession with how things "look" -- and not the substance of how things "are" or how things "work" -- has been a hallmark of Trump's brief White House tenure, as it has his much longer waltz on the public stage as a businessman and celebrity...."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...not-doing-good
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well he invited the 52 republican senators to the White House for lunch today, maybe they make amends.
He could have invited the entire Senate with the intention of working together on a non- partisan basis.

It gets a tad more challenging to blame Democrats when the minority party is consistently excluded from crafting the bill or a plan going forward.

This sort of crap, party before outcomes, is a two- way street.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:16 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Well he invited the 52 republican senators to the White House for lunch today, maybe they make amends.
He will try to fire all 52 "nut jobs".
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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It remains unclear to me if he consistently has no recollection what he previously said/ tweeted or, when faced with an uncomfortable situation relies on denial and blame.
Hard to say.

Trump has been a BSer his entire life. Whether he believes what he says or not, he acts as if he thinks everyone else does.
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